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    Quote Originally Posted by FrontTowardEnemy View Post
    My perspective is God is not punishing this nation, consequence is. We’ve been warned what would happen if we reject God. The consequences are natural and instructive. God has not abandoned us, we left Him. To the extent that a sliver of this nation/culture/economy is still successful and liberty reigns, it is for the sake of the righteous who still remain. If they were to be gone from this culture, what would remain would quickly collapse under the weight of consequence. In that sense one man’s morality does directly affect the rest of society.
    This begs the question.


    Would it be unjust for President Trump to order nuclear fires on California?

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    I am not overly religious though I have started rereading the Bible. God, it is my understanding, is both loving and vengeful. You follow his teachings you will do okay. You disobey those teachings and he will punish you.

    Now why destroy a whole city or country because of the faults of a few? Perhaps it is God's way of telling people that they need to make sure their neighbors behave themselves.

    I do not know for sure but, while simplistic, it does seem like a viable reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLLS View Post
    I am not overly religious though I have started rereading the Bible. God, it is my understanding, is both loving and vengeful. You follow his teachings you will do okay. You disobey those teachings and he will punish you.

    Now why destroy a whole city or country because of the faults of a few? Perhaps it is God's way of telling people that they need to make sure their neighbors behave themselves.

    I do not know for sure but, while simplistic, it does seem like a viable reason.
    Such a god is a human invention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAMARTIA View Post
    According to the bible, God gave you Obama, too. And gave the world Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot...

    What was your point in saying that God gave you Trump?
    That's actually not how it works

    Satan is the god of this world. We see that in Luke 4 where Satan offers Jesus all the Kingdoms of the whole world if he would just bow down and worship him, and he stated for it is given me to do as I will with. Paul called Satan the god of this dark world.

    Satan, Apollyon controlled the Beasts Kingdoms of Daniel also, but God can intervene and dictate His will be done. Cyrus made a dictate that the Jews were free to go home and rebuild the Temple. Also in Daniel 10, the prince of Persia {Apollyon/Demon} resisted Micheal/Jesus for 21 days, God was demanding that Alexander the Great {Greece} be allowed to Conquer Persia and the Demonic world resisted this. Now you know why Alexander the Great Conquered so much, so fast, God was doing his biding !! Go figure.

    So one King/President coming to power not being God's Will per se, doesn't have to mean the other King/President coming to power is not God's Will.

    God can allow Wicked Mankind to destroy their own country via lies and stealing elections as those with no morals are want to do, and then God can HEAR THE PRAYERS of His own and intercede on their behalf. These things should be obvious to a rational thinker.
    Even so, Come Lord Come !!

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    So what does Romans 13:1 mean to you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Does your god punish nations for the sins of its leader?
    Does yours?

    I realize that many atheists have an almost genetic need to derail most discussions toward the existence of God and their love of berating those that do but, I'm not taking your bait for being dragged down into that rabbit hole.

    The OP blames God for their experience and observations of unfairness in life. I'm not even trying to convince them otherwise. They can be atheist if they want. It's still a free country. I'm just suggesting that they get help for their constant state of depression that is demonstrated on this site. It's real easy to blame something else. What's it to you any way? You don't believe in God so why would you try to drag the discussion toward blaming something in which you don't believe exists?
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    Does your god punish nations for the sins of its leader?
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    Does yours?
    Given the complete lack of evidence for gods, i have no need for them.
    I realize that many atheists have an almost genetic need to derail most discussions toward the existence of God and their love of berating those that do but, I'm not taking your bait for being dragged down into that rabbit hole.
    A smarter person would realize my question is completely in line with the thread. "Why is it fair that God can punish whole nations..."
    The OP blames God for their experience and observations of unfairness in life. I'm not even trying to convince them otherwise. They can be atheist if they want. It's still a free country. I'm just suggesting that they get help for their constant state of depression that is demonstrated on this site. It's real easy to blame something else. What's it to you any way? You don't believe in God so why would you try to drag the discussion toward blaming something in which you don't believe exists?
    I do it to clarify the incredibly muddled thinking (or lack of it) I find in most Christians.

    Almost all of God's lapdogs immediately came to God's defense. "Of course God kills the innocent along with the guilty. And we deserve it!"

    What dumb people you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Does your god punish nations for the sins of its leader?

    Given the complete lack of evidence for gods, i have no need for them.

    A smarter person would realize my question is completely in line with the thread. "Why is it fair that God can punish whole nations..."

    I do it to clarify the incredibly muddled thinking (or lack of it) I find in most Christians.

    Almost all of God's lapdogs immediately came to God's defense. "Of course God kills the innocent along with the guilty. And we deserve it!"

    What dumb people you are.
    Fine, you have no need for God. That's your choice and I will defend that choice and your freedom to make it.
    Your singled out question to my response to the OP is not in line with my response to the OP. Of course, a smarter and less obsessed person would have realized that. I have not directly discussed belief in God in this thread nor have I tried to persuade anyone in either direction. Yet, you keep trying to drag me there. Sort of like a mission of yours isn't it. You are determined to drag me down to your level.

    I hereby defer to your superior intellect. I'm sure that is the ego stroke that you were hoping to receive all along here.

    I still highly recommend that the writer of the OP seek help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    Fine, you have no need for God. That's your choice and I will defend that choice and your freedom to make it.
    Your singled out question to my response to the OP is not in line with my response to the OP. Of course, a smarter and less obsessed person would have realized that. I have not directly discussed belief in God in this thread nor have I tried to persuade anyone in either direction. Yet, you keep trying to drag me there. Sort of like a mission of yours isn't it. You are determined to drag me down to your level.

    I hereby defer to your superior intellect. I'm sure that is the ego stroke that you were hoping to receive all along here.

    I still highly recommend that the writer of the OP seek help.
    You are free to respond or to choose not to. No one is dragging you here. If I dragged you to my level, it would elevate you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You are free to respond or to choose not to. No one is dragging you here. If I dragged you to my level, it would elevate you.
    I told you that I wasn't going to yet you persisted. Bask in your own inflated self-image all that you want.

    Again, I truly hope the author of the OP seeks help. I doubt if they can get the help that they need from this forum.
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