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    The cop in South Carolina has been cleared by his department. Imagine that.

    Greenville deputy cleared after shooting homeowner through front window

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    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    delegated?..so, are you saying you aren't opposed to an anarchist approach to justice?
    How can there be an anarchist approach to justice? That seems like a contradiction to me.

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    Lynchings?
    I'm not talking about mob rule.

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    There has to be the rule of law and a dedicated force to enforce it. I would submit to you that the cops aren't the problem.The breakdown of civility,respect for authority and common decency are at the heart of it.



    To take it one step further.The breakdown of the traditional family unit and how each new generation is being raised is at the heart of the matter.
    You seem to forget about posses - or perhaps you aren't aware of what a posse is, in which case I suggest you look into it. We used to have posses before we got into this habit of making it compulsory to delegate the task of law enforcement to unelected career professional government agents. That's central planning of law enforcement, socialism in its own right & a tool for implementing more socialism.

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    When Biblical Judeo-Christian values are cast aside as antiquated and obsolete.....In walks the Devil the father of all lies and deceit.
    I'm not interested in being religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    delegated?..so, are you saying you aren't opposed to an anarchist approach to justice? Lynchings?

    There has to be the rule of law and a dedicated force to enforce it. I would submit to you that the cops aren't the problem.The breakdown of civility,respect for authority and common decency are at the heart of it.

    To take it one step further.The breakdown of the traditional family unit and how each new generation is being raised is at the heart of the matter.

    When Biblical Judeo-Christian values are cast aside as antiquated and obsolete.....In walks the Devil the father of all lies and deceit.
    Where does any of that breakdown apply in the South Carolina case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinosaur View Post
    Although I consider myself very pro law enforcement, these "shoot through the window" stories bother me. Police don't know what is in the mind of the homeowner, and they don't know what the homeowner is fearful of or what threats may have occurred lately.

    Seems to me that, although it may be a good shoot, there was also an opportunity to retreat and call for backup or SWAT. If the homeowner was seen retreating to his/her home and appeared in a window with a gun, it's time to use a bullhorn or go back to the car at least to turn on the lights and thereby let the homeowner know the police are on the scene. If the police car lights are on, and the homeowner starts breaking glass or shooting out the window, that's different.

    I also worry about the definition of domestic violence, and now how that might be used by domestic partners as revenge. To me, there is a big difference between a "touch" and a "strike", but in my state, the law is "DV touch or strike". People getting shot for a "touch" seems a bit over the top. We never get the whole story in the news, but it would be interesting to see the initial police report, and whether or not the person reporting had physical proof of violence.
    I agree with your bull horn suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SneakySFDude View Post
    Where does any of that breakdown apply in the South Carolina case?
    I knew that was coming.I'm not saying cops are all sinless angels but what I am saying is the animosity toward law enforcement and disrespect for authority these days would make any cop hyper aware of the threats they now face and some may react out of fear,causing them to make poor decisions.Not saying that excuses anything but I think it is a reasonable explanation why you have these tragic incidents occurring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil View Post
    How can there be an anarchist approach to justice? That seems like a contradiction to me.


    I'm not talking about mob rule.


    You seem to forget about posses - or perhaps you aren't aware of what a posse is, in which case I suggest you look into it. We used to have posses before we got into this habit of making it compulsory to delegate the task of law enforcement to unelected career professional government agents. That's central planning of law enforcement, socialism in its own right & a tool for implementing more socialism.


    I'm not interested in being religious.
    Please don't insult my intelligence.If justice is not a uniform code of law what would the alternative be called? A posse is in effect mob rule.Where's the due process? Where's innocent until proven guilty? Calling law enforcement socialism is ludicrous.While inter county, state, and governmental agencies cooperate with one another each one is autonomous and operates independently,hardly a socialist idea.The rule of law and justice is what is first and foremost,not what a bunch of pissed off locals deciding what it is.

    Your or anyone's lack of interest in religion is the impetus of my post and exactly my point.
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    A posse is not automatically vigilantism or a lynch mob. They are simple volunteers, often sworn in, to assist a sheriff in apprehending the suspect, who is then tried.

    Posses and lynch mobs are two different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    Please don't insult my intelligence.
    I'm not insulting your anything; I simply responded to what you posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    If justice is not a uniform code of law what would the alternative be called?
    How did you even derive this antecedent from anything I said? I never asserted anything about justice being or not being a uniform code of law.

    I'm not about to go on some search for what something would be called to answer such a broad, vague, and unwarranted (as far as I can tell) question.

    If you rephrase your questions more directly, such as: A is X; agree or disagree?, then maybe that'll help make it easier for us to have a dialogue.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    A posse is in effect mob rule.
    You're implicitly using an incorrect context here to make a false assertion. You said "Lynchings?" I said "I'm not talking about mob rule." A posse is lawful, by definition; lynchings are not lawful, by definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    Where's the due process?
    That's what I'd like to know. There is no lack of due process with a posse; on the other hand, there is a lack of due process (a lethal one) in every single incident when anyone is summarily executed by compulsively delegated unelected career professional government agents.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    Where's innocent until proven guilty?
    Presumed innocent - anyways, this is something else I'd like to know. There's no presumption of innocence when someone is summarily executed...I think by now people can get the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    Calling law enforcement socialism is ludicrous.
    Bear, you're attacking a straw man - or maybe it's a simple miscommunication issue. I didn't say law enforcement is socialism; I'm referring to the compulsory delegation to unelected career professional government agents of the task of law enforcement as central planning of law enforcement. I didn't say the task of law enforcement itself was socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    While inter county, state, and governmental agencies cooperate with one another each one is autonomous and operates independently,hardly a socialist idea.
    2nd straw man; I never said it was or wasn't. However, since you bring it up, and there is at least some potential peripheral relevant's, I'll also state that what you describe here isn't good enough to make something not socialist. It starts at the individual & when the individual is told that they have to compulsively delegate law enforcement tasks to some central planning based system, it's not a system of the people - by the people - for the people, anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    The rule of law and justice is what is first and foremost,not what a bunch of pissed off locals deciding what it is.
    I didn't say it was.

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    Your or anyone's lack of interest in religion is the impetus of my post and exactly my point.
    I didn't say I wasn't interested in religion; I said I'm not interested in being religious. I am interested in religion in the same way that a biologist is interested in living organisms, trying to figure out what makes them tick - that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East of the Beast View Post
    I knew that was coming.I'm not saying cops are all sinless angels but what I am saying is the animosity toward law enforcement and disrespect for authority these days would make any cop hyper aware of the threats they now face and some may react out of fear,causing them to make poor decisions.Not saying that excuses anything but I think it is a reasonable explanation why you have these tragic incidents occurring.
    I disagree. From what I have read the "alarm" in South Carolina was a medical alert from a cell phone "associated with the residence".

    These tragic incidents are going to continue as long as cops keep peeking in windows. They are killing homeowners who are defending their homes because their lives are in danger by their own actions.
    They have no authority to even be on the property. They are trespassing and killing because of it.

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