User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: Locked and loaded for war on Iran

  1. #1
    VIP V.I.P Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entrySocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran
    Overall activity: 22.0%

    Garden House Queen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    7,750
    Thanks
    35,458
    Thanked: 14,300
    Rep Power
    21474848

    Locked and loaded for war on Iran

    ‘Locked and Loaded’ for War on Iran?

    September 16, 2019 by Patrick J. Buchanan








    The War Party is giddy with excitement over the prospect of war with Iran, while the nation does not want another war.
    “Iran has launched an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply,” declared Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
    Putting America’s credibility on the line, Pompeo accused Iran of carrying out the devastating attack on Saudi oil facilities that halted half of the kingdom’s oil production, 5.7 million barrels a day.
    On Sunday, President Donald Trump did not identify Iran as the attacking nation, but did appear, in a tweet, to back up the secretary of state:

    “There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) as to who they believe was the cause of this attack and under what terms we would proceed!”
    Yemen’s Houthi rebels, who have been fighting Saudi Arabia for four years and have used drones to strike Saudi airport and oil facilities, claim they fired 10 drones from 500 kilometers away to carry out the strikes in retaliation for Saudi air and missile attacks.

    Pompeo dismissed their claim, “There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.”
    But while the Houthis claim credit, Iran denies all responsibility.
    Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif says of Pompeo’s charge, that the U.S. has simply replaced a policy of “maximum pressure” with a policy of “maximum deceit.” Tehran is calling us liars.

    And, indeed, a direct assault on Saudi Arabia by Iran, a Pearl Harbor-type surprise attack on the Saudis’ crucial oil production facility, would be an act of war requiring Saudi retaliation, leading to a Persian Gulf war in which the United States could be forced to participate.
    Tehran being behind Saturday’s strike would contradict Iranian policy since the U.S. pulled out of the nuclear deal. That policy has been to avoid a military clash with the United States and pursue a measured response to tightening
    American sanctions.
    U.S. and Saudi officials are investigating the sites of the attacks, the oil production facility at Abqaiq and the Khurais oil field.

    Have something to say about this column?
    Visit Pat’s FaceBook page and post your comments….
    According to U.S. sources, 17 missiles or drones were fired, not the 10 the Houthis claim, and cruise missiles may have been used. Some targets were hit on the west-northwest facing sides, which suggests they were fired from the north, from Iran or Iraq.

    But according to The New York Times, some targets were hit on the west side, pointing away from Iraq or Iraq as the source. But as some projectiles did not explode and fragments of those that did explode are identifiable, establishing the likely source of the attacks should be only a matter of time. It is here that the rubber meets the road.
    Given Pompeo’s public accusation that Iran was behind the attack, a Trump meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the U.N. General Assembly’s annual gathering next week may be a dead letter.

    The real question now is what do the Americans do when the source of the attack is known and the call for a commensurate response is put directly to our “locked-and-loaded” president.
    If the perpetrators were the Houthis, how would Trump respond?
    For the Houthis, who are native to Yemen and whose country has been attacked by the Saudis for four years, would, under the rules of war, seem to be entitled to launch attacks on the country attacking them.

    Indeed, Congress has repeatedly sought to have Trump terminate U.S. support of the Saudi war in Yemen.
    If the attack on the Saudi oil field and oil facility at Abqaiq proves to be the work of Shiite militia from inside Iraq, would the United States attack that militia whose numbers in Iraq have been estimated as high as 150,000 fighters, as compared with our 5,000 troops in-country?

    What about Iran itself?
    If a dozen drones or missiles can do the kind of damage to the world economy as did those fired on Saturday — shutting down about 6% of world oil production — imagine what a U.S.-Iran-Saudi war would do to the world economy.
    In recent decades, the U.S. has sold the Saudis hundreds of billions of dollars of military equipment. Did our weapons sales carry a guarantee that we will also come and fight alongside the kingdom if it gets into a war with its neighbors?
    Before Trump orders any strike on Iran, would he go to Congress for authorization for his act of war?

    Sen. Lindsey Graham is already urging an attack on Iran’s oil refineries to “break the regime’s back,” while Sen. Rand Paul contends that “there’s no reason the superpower of the United States needs to be getting into bombing mainland Iran.”
    Divided again: The War Party is giddy with excitement over the prospect of war with Iran, while the nation does not want another war.

    How we avoid it, however, is becoming difficult to see.
    John Bolton may be gone from the West Wing, but his soul is marching on.
    Last edited by Garden House Queen; 09-21-2019 at 04:47 PM.

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Garden House Queen For This Useful Post:

    Brat (09-21-2019),Lone Gunman (09-21-2019)

  3. #2
    Alumni Member & VIP V.I.P Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassSocialVeteran
    Overall activity: 51.0%

    Hillofbeans's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    10,572
    Thanks
    20,938
    Thanked: 13,371
    Rep Power
    21474850
    Not to worry, we'll apply some more useless sanctions and that will fix them.

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Hillofbeans For This Useful Post:

    Garden House Queen (09-21-2019),pjohns (09-21-2019)

  5. #3
    Sr ADMIN/Founder IT Staff
    Forum Donor
    V.I.P
    TPF Moderator
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation First ClassTagger First ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsCreated Album picturesVeteran
    Overall activity: 99.6%

    Trinnity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    58,292
    Thanks
    8,119
    Thanked: 49,880
    Rep Power
    21474901
    Why can't the saudis bomb them? They have an air force.

  6. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Trinnity For This Useful Post:

    Conservative Libertarian (09-21-2019),Garden House Queen (09-21-2019),Lone Gunman (09-21-2019),Madison (09-21-2019)

  7. #4
    Senior Member Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entry3 months registered
    Overall activity: 49.0%

    jirqoadai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    TEXAS
    Posts
    4,947
    Thanks
    3,850
    Thanked: 2,657
    Rep Power
    4458423
    im now suspecting that ISIL or maybe even the kurds did it.
    knowing where the 25 munitions were launched from does
    wonders to ones ego.
    sic semper tyrannis

  8. #5
    Senior Member Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entry3 months registered
    Overall activity: 49.0%

    jirqoadai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    TEXAS
    Posts
    4,947
    Thanks
    3,850
    Thanked: 2,657
    Rep Power
    4458423
    you know, it very well couldve been HAMAS. knowing theyd be intercepted bringing those things to lebanon, they prolly figgerred itd be safer to use them there and now.
    sic semper tyrannis

  9. #6
    VIP V.I.P Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entrySocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran
    Overall activity: 22.0%

    Garden House Queen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    7,750
    Thanks
    35,458
    Thanked: 14,300
    Rep Power
    21474848
    Wouldn't surprise me if our own CIA didn't do it. Trump's enemies would love to push him into a war...any war.

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Garden House Queen For This Useful Post:

    Big Dummy (09-21-2019),Madison (09-21-2019)

  11. #7
    Senior Member Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entry3 months registered
    Overall activity: 49.0%

    jirqoadai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    TEXAS
    Posts
    4,947
    Thanks
    3,850
    Thanked: 2,657
    Rep Power
    4458423
    where were all those delivery systems made in? pakistan
    sic semper tyrannis

  12. #8
    Senior Member Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entry3 months registered
    Overall activity: 49.0%

    jirqoadai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    TEXAS
    Posts
    4,947
    Thanks
    3,850
    Thanked: 2,657
    Rep Power
    4458423
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden House Queen View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me if our own CIA didn't do it. Trump's enemies would love to push him into a war...any war.
    i posted where they were fired from in my Czech thread. youd need to show an American did it to blame the CIA
    sic semper tyrannis

  13. #9
    VIP V.I.P Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsCreated Blog entrySocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran
    Overall activity: 22.0%

    Garden House Queen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    7,750
    Thanks
    35,458
    Thanked: 14,300
    Rep Power
    21474848
    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    i posted where they were fired from in my Czech thread. youd need to show an American did it to blame the CIA
    Sorry....but I'm jaded...I don't believe much about our Government anymore. I'd like too but I just don't.

    I remember how Bush was given false information about Saddam's Iraq....or...was he?
    Last edited by Garden House Queen; 09-21-2019 at 05:18 PM.

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Garden House Queen For This Useful Post:

    Big Dummy (09-21-2019)

  15. #10
    Alumni Member & VIP V.I.P Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialTagger Second ClassVeteran
    Overall activity: 73.0%

    Madison's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    18,618
    Thanks
    34,373
    Thanked: 26,303
    Rep Power
    21474858
    Can we guess it`s Iran
    We can judge the heart of a nation by his treatment of animals.

    "One slice of bacon a day keep the Muslims away, add pork juice in Hallal food"

    "The're friends who will offer advice and wisdom. They're are cowgirls who come blasting through your door with whiskey, weapons, a shovel, and a plan! "

    NEW PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OF CANADA*DONALD J. TRUMP

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Madison For This Useful Post:

    Hillofbeans (09-21-2019)

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •