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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Felix Birdbiter View Post
    I have been to Hong Kong several times. Interesting city. More people than you can shake a stick at. One of the most interesting was Aberdeen Harbor with its large number of boat people who would live in 11 foot row boats rather than return to Mainland China. Hong Kong was prosperous because it was a free port. Now, not so much. Its a shame really, the people were very industrious and because it was a Crown Colony at the time I felt like I was actually in two separate countries, England and China. Never again I suppose.
    Britain's negotiaton to return Hong Kong to China was a grotesque mistake.

    I'll admit I'm not up on the history; not sure if it was based on a treaty signed before Mao came to power; but if it was, the Communist takeover of the Mainland was reason enough, alone, to repudiate that treaty.

    I was in Hong Kong in 1994, when on a Navy carrier. It was just a bit too Third World for my taste at the time - unlike Singapore, it wasn't obvious where the cleaner places where English was spoken, were. But as a rolling diodrama, it was amazing.

    What it represented, and I didn't understand it at the time, was how personal liberty and minimalist government, emancipates the average man. Hong Kong was immensely crowded. There were little natural resources. But just having such a large population base - not drawing off the public treasury, but ready to WORK - made it all work, and the best and brightest became rich and important.

    The exact opposite of Cuba or Haiti.

    But...now it's gonna be one more Chinese district...with the people kinda-sorta free. They'll have goods and some opportunities, but no guarantees government will not shut it all down in the future. And, this.

    I do have to wonder if the ChiComms will control this by simply disbursing the Hong Kong population. Put them in their mainland Ghost Cities; and put other Chinese in Hong Kong. A totalitarian government can easily order this.

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    I said this yesterday, Tiananmen square 2.0 coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    Already has.Today the markets were in free-fall.
    which markets? and im assuming youre not speaking about Food Lion or Krogers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillofbeans View Post
    I said this yesterday, Tiananmen square 2.0 coming up.
    itll never happen. red china has too much to loose if they do it.
    sic semper tyrannis

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    What does mainland Communist China do without the billions generated through Hong Kong. Even without a trade/tariff war with the US.

    China's "strength" FOREVER has been its mass population. That equals Zero in trade wars. It would be a power IF that population were consumers of world trade goods, but they aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    Already has.

    Today the markets were in free-fall.
    Taxcutter says:
    The only people potentially affected are the hyper-wealthy and day traders. Both groups will back away from the markets until things quiet down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    Hong Kong is China's. The British handed it over, twenty-odd years ago.

    I'm actually surprised it took this long to come to violence. I expected this, six months after China took it.

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    No doubt about it. China will stomp Hong Kong like a bug.

    China cannot have an independent Hong Kong on its doorstep. Independent Taiwan and Japan are big enough irritants.

    The only variable is time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
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    No doubt about it. China will stomp Hong Kong like a bug.

    China cannot have an independent Hong Kong on its doorstep. Independent Taiwan and Japan are big enough irritants.

    The only variable is time.
    so youre telling us that red china wants no foreing investment? srsly?
    thats what they want?
    sic semper tyrannis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    Taxcutter says:
    No doubt about it. China will stomp Hong Kong like a bug.

    China cannot have an independent Hong Kong on its doorstep. Independent Taiwan and Japan are big enough irritants.

    The only variable is time.
    You're usually spot on, but I disagree. China is in big trouble. Devaluing the yuan was a desperation move and Trump can't and won't budge. He's on the precipice of breaking them financially. They'll be seeing company bankruptcies pretty soon. The Chinese president is a paper tiger because financial realities are not in their favor. We can shift to other regions for goods. Indonesia. Viet Nam. Who knows, maybe even India. There are untapped markets.

    Trump's also puttin' the hurt on Iran and Russia. And it's working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    so youre telling us that red china wants no foreing investment? srsly?
    thats what they want?
    China depends on capitalism now. They have a lot of debt too. They're not as all that as they have seemed. They've got a riot on their hands in HK. Barbarism at the hands of govt is out of fashion but Iran and China haven't gotten the memo. Previous American presidents kowtowed to these countries out of fear. That is o v e r.

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