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    Science and Faith

    ""Einstein's right, at least for now," said Andrea Ghez, a co-lead author of the research and astronomy professor at the University of California Los Angeles, in a statement. "Our observations are consistent with Einstein’s theory of general relativity. However, his theory is definitely showing vulnerability. It cannot fully explain gravity inside a black hole, and at some point we will need to move beyond Einstein's theory to a more comprehensive theory of gravity that explains what a black hole is."
    https://www.space.com/supermassive-b...elativity.html

    Oh, Einstein's Theory of General Relativity is showing some vulnerability? That happens with science. New techniques and new ideas lead to new discoveries and with discarding old ideas. With faith, that isn't necessary. It is true now, was true before, and no matter what happens always will be true. That's one of the wonderful things about faith.

    But, that's not all.

    "The scientists monitored the star S0-2 in 2018, when it made its closest approach to Sagittarius A* during its 16-year orbit. The star got as close as 120 astronomical units (AU) from the black hole — an AU is the average distance between Earth and the sun, about 93 million miles (150 million kilometers) — traveling as fast as 2.7% the speed of light.

    "Using the Keck Observatory, Gemini Observatory and Subaru Telescope in Hawaii, the astronomers managed to track S0-2's complete orbit in 3D. They combined these data with measurements they have made over the past 24 years.


    "The researchers investigated a prediction of general relativity known as "gravitational redshift," wherein gravity can distort light. Much as how an ambulance siren sounds higher-pitched to people as the vehicle drives toward them and lower-pitched as it moves away, light falling toward a gravitational field gets shifted to the blue end of the spectrum, while light escaping from a gravitational field is reddened, or redshifted."

    See? The scientific approach required multiple scientists using expensive equipment over a period of 24 years to collect data. Faith requires no investment. No people, no equipment, no data collected. All that's required is belief, often in the unbelievable.

    ""This has been long anticipated theoretically, but it is really exciting that we can finally do it," Do added."This is a milestone on the path to future, more powerful tests of general relativity and other theories of gravity."

    Isn't science exciting? But, it's expensive, time consuming, and rarely absolute. Faith is so much better, isn't it? All you have to do is believe. Easy-peasy.

    To give you some idea of how awesome Albert Einstein was:
    "General relativity (GR, also known as the general theory of relativity or GTR) is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915 and the current description of gravitation in modern physics."

    Wow! That's 104 years ago. And he was right...at least for now.
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    Some knowledge is best left undiscovered, such as the asswipes at CERN knowing they have a 1 in 1000 chance of letting a black hole loose that will swallow the Earth, but they go ahead and do it anyway, because the knowledge that can be gained is just too important to let get away from them.

    One mystery scientists will never solve though is why it's only on TV sitcoms they have hot girlfriends.
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    (what I'm sure was an inside joke to all the Hollyweird actors in the scene at the time, as Hollywood was Weinstein before Weinsten ever was)

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    Science and Faith don't have to be mutually exclusive.
    It takes a FAMILY to raise a child--Not Hitlery Klinton's Socialist, Anti-Family, Nanny-State...I mean, "Village".

    Islam is a religion of violence and terror as practiced by the Islamofascists. The Muslims that do speak out against terror are then terrorized by the Islamofascists and are ignored by the Lap Dog Media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenvoter View Post
    Some knowledge is best left undiscovered, such as the asswipes at CERN knowing they have a 1 in 1000 chance of letting a black hole loose that will swallow the Earth, but they go ahead and do it anyway, because the knowledge that can be gained is just too important to let get away from them.

    One mystery scientists will never solve though is why it's only on TV sitcoms they have hot girlfriends.
    It takes a FAMILY to raise a child--Not Hitlery Klinton's Socialist, Anti-Family, Nanny-State...I mean, "Village".

    Islam is a religion of violence and terror as practiced by the Islamofascists. The Muslims that do speak out against terror are then terrorized by the Islamofascists and are ignored by the Lap Dog Media.

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    Sir Issac Newton and Einstein both made great leaps in our understanding of how the Universe works.

    Over time, their "theories" and "observations" will be "updated," but, they have laid the basic foundation for what we see as "reality."

    Newton's theories have largely been altered, but, still....he laid the foundations.....

    I think we will be finding "something new" for many, many centuries.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    Science and Faith don't have to be mutually exclusive.
    They certainly are not for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Libertarian View Post
    Science and Faith don't have to be mutually exclusive.
    Perhaps not, but they are.

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    Patrickt said: Faith requires no investment. No people, no equipment, no data collected.
    You could say the same thing about someone who stays home and practices scientific thinking alone.

    Or else you could look at the aggregate of expenditures by the faithful. For example, how much has been spent on houses of worship worldwide. How many bibles and/or other religious books have been purchased etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Perhaps not, but they are.
    You don't know very many people with science backgrounds, do you? Many believe in God and belong to various religions. Their religious beliefs do not inhibit their ability to learn about the universe around us. Einstein was Jewish and believed in God and look at what he contributed to our understanding of the universe around us.
    It takes a FAMILY to raise a child--Not Hitlery Klinton's Socialist, Anti-Family, Nanny-State...I mean, "Village".

    Islam is a religion of violence and terror as practiced by the Islamofascists. The Muslims that do speak out against terror are then terrorized by the Islamofascists and are ignored by the Lap Dog Media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedgin View Post
    Sir Issac Newton and Einstein both made great leaps in our understanding of how the Universe works.

    Over time, their "theories" and "observations" will be "updated," but, they have laid the basic foundation for what we see as "reality."

    Newton's theories have largely been altered, but, still....he laid the foundations.....

    I think we will be finding "something new" for many, many centuries.......
    Meanwhile, the Judeo Christian religion hasn't been updated for thousands of years. Btw, the Bible is not a science book. I'm amazed how many Believers don't realize this.

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