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    What happened??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    What happened??
    Helluva first post.

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    @Tolkien. I can post your op. What is your problem.
    Sarah Sanders doesn't often mop the White House Press Corp Floor...but when she does, she uses Jim Acosta.

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    The American Union Modeled After Ancient Israel
    Our family of states, so many sovereignties governing themselves, yet consenting to be governed, like constellations each with its own order and laws, but all obeying one great rule, suggesting, asorganized communities, more than any other nation, the divine pattern of the tribes in the Hebrew commonwealth.”-Nehemiah Adams Pastor Harvard graduate 1855
    “The national government was headed by Moses, and there was a national legislature composed of a council of seventy elders, or what we would call senators [exodus 19.7 24.1 Numbers 11 16-17] Each of the twelve“states” [tribes] had its own Governor and legislature, or council of ruling elders [senators.]”
    -David Barton Natural Born President
    “Gods model for governments purpose and administration was set forth in his establishment of the nation of Israel whose form of government operated by rule of righteousness within twelve separate limitedjurisdictions [tribes] and consequently was a federation.”--Timothy and Chuck Baldwin Romans 13 the True Meaning of Submission 2011
    “When God brought Isreal into the promise land, he gave them a very limited, decentralized government of Judges for the tribes ofisreal.”-James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying Tyranny Pelican Publishing 2010
    “The Israelites had initially been a tribal federation... loose tribal coalition”-ChaimHerzog and Mordechai Gichon Battles of the Bible GreenHill BooksLondon 2002
    While not perfect, the United states was originally a union of states, a federation of states as originally created by the founders most resembled of any nation on earth that of Gods original model for government. And I believe received Gods blessing more than any other nation for it. The original plan for Israel from God was of a decentralized tribal union/nation with its foundation being the laws of God that connectedthe loosely held tribes into the nation of Israel. In Gods laws he had given unalienable rights and a republican form of government with elected officials. Much how the united states was a union of states under a constitution [derived from laws/principles of gods law] in a republican form of government. Influential books such as Common Sense by Thomas Paine showed the biblical foundation for republicanism and the pagan origins of Monarchy. God warned against big government and centralized government such as a monarchy in 1 Sam 8.
    One of the most important modes for war and for politics in general was old testament Isreal.”-James P Byrd Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013
    “Israel, being a most prefect resemblance of these American colonies.”-Cyprion Strong of Chatham Connecticut 1777
    “Hebraic republicanism...could serve not only to tear down monarchy, it could also build up a constitutional government.”-James P Byrd Sacred Scripture Sacred war the bible and the American Revolution Oxford u Press 2013


    To the early Israelite the law of God was the government. Kings, Judges, elders were all under the authority of the law as in the United states where elected officials are servants under the constitution
    16 When they have a difficulty, they come to me, and I judge between one and another; and I make known the statutes of God and His laws.”-Exodus18.16
    “Whereis the king in America? He reins above....in America the law is king.”
    -Thomas Paine common Sense
    43 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. 44 And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all.
    -Mark10 43-44

    Besides being held accountable by the constitution and “we the people” who could elect our officials out of office, one way our elected officials acknowledged the higher authority was through prayer proclamations. Between 1622 and 1815 1,500 proclamations of prayer or fasting were given in the united states. 300 were given by the church, 1,200 by the local, state or federal government. John Adams the second U.S president gave this one in 1798

    By the President of the United States of America A PROCLAMATION -
    “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God; and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety, without which social happiness cannot exist....”
    John Hancock called for state prayer Oct 15 1791 as the Governor of Massachusetts-
    “And above all, not only to continue to us the enjoyment of our civil Rights and Liberties; but the great and most important Blessing, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I do earnestly recommend, that we may jointhe penitent confession of our Sins, and implore the further continuance of the Divine Protection, and Blessings of Heaven upon this People; especially that He would be graciously pleased to direct, and prosper the Administration of the Federal Government, and of this, and the other States in the Union that all may bow to the Scepter of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and the whole Earth be filled with his Glory.”
    Samuel Adams Governor of Massachusetts in 1795 proclamation of prayer and fasting-
    “we may unitedly implore the forgiveness of our Sins, through the merits of Jesus Christ, and humbly supplicate our Heavenly Father, to grant us the aids of his Grace, for the amendment of our Hearts and Lives.”
    “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this:it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity…From the day of the Declaration…they were bound by the laws of God,which they all, and by the laws of the gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.”
    - John Quincy Adams 1821

    Our Biblical Constitution
    “…the religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and His apostles…This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government…the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all of our civil constitutions and laws.”
    -Noah Webster 1833
    “The written constitution was the child of the pulpit.”-Alice Baldwin the new England clergy and the American revolution

    Political science professors from the university of Houston did a study on 15,000 writings from the founding era that had impact on the formation of the Constitution. They identified 3,154 quotes by the founders on where there ideas came form to form the Constitution.Their work was published as “The origins of American Constitutionalism.” they found 34% of the quotes came directly from bible as the main source, 8.3% came from Montesquieu, 7.9% from Blackstone, and next was John Locke at 6.9%. Yet Montesquieu,Blackstone and Locke all often quoted the bible in their works for proper government. So the actual impact from the bible is far greater. For example in Locks most influential work a 400 page “2 Trinities on Government” he referred to the bible 1,500 times.
    “Of all the nations in the world . . . most justly called a Christian nation...has so largely shaped and molded it."-Supreme Court Justice David Brewer 1837-1910
    Everything in the declaration of Independence such as all men created equal, the consent of the governed, etc was already preached widely by pastors before 1776 for proper biblical government. Likewise what the British were doing such as taxation without representation and the stamp actwere shown to be forms of tyranny in the bible. These were the topics of many sermons in America that incited people towards the revolution. The reverend John Wise who preached these sermons was credited with the ideas that formed the declaration of independence.When John Adams was asked who was most responsible for the revolution he named the Rev Samuel Cooper, the rev John Mayhew, the Rev George Witfeild, and the Rev Charles Chauncy.

    Republicanism
    [O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament, or the Christian religion.
    -Noah Webster, History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie & Peck, 1832), p. 6





    "The Bible contains the most profound philosophy, the most perfect morality and the most refined policy that ever was conceived upon earth. It is the most republican book in the world,and therefore I will still revere it," -John Adams
    Article 4 section 4 of the constitution gives Americans a republican form of government. The idea of elected official comes from Exodus 18.21 which was radical thinking at the time as no other country Americans came from had a republic. They elected christian leaders from among them over local, county, state, and federal levels or “tens”“fifties” “hundreds” and “thousands”.
    "Furthermore,you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, menof truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens. -Exodus18.21
    “let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [ex 18.21]. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; -Noah Webster Noah Webster History of the United States 1832
    Some of the state constitutions were as follows.
    1776 Delawares
    “Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house must say “I do profess faith in god the father, and in the Lord Jesus Christ, his only son, and in the holy spirit, one God and blessed forevermore,and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the old and new testaments to be given by divine inspiration.”
    Pennsylvania/Vermont
    “Each member of the legislation before he takes a seat shall make andsubscribe the following I do believe in one god the creator andGovernor of the universe the rewarded of the good and punisher of thewicked.”
    Tennessee 1796
    “Noperson who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards andpunishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of thisState.”



    Arepublican government is not a democracy [a form of government thefounders hated and was seen as tyrannical]. In a republic majoritydoes not rule, thelawis the ultimate authority. All people are held under the law. Ifprivate property is protected in a republican form of government, itmatters not if 51% say they now want to steal your land to use fortheir own purposes. In a republic built on gods law, murder willalways be murder even if the majority one day decide its ok tomurder.



    “Ihave always considered Christianity as the strong ground ofrepublicanism.”
    -Benjamin Rush, letter to ThomasJefferson on August 22, 1800
    [thebible] “That book, Sir, is the Rock upon which our republic rests.”
    -AndrewJackson




    OurBiblical Laws



    “Thefundamental basis of this Nation's law was given to Moses on theMount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from theteachings which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah andSt. Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If wedon't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finallywind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe inrights for anybody except the state.”
    -HarryTruman



    “TheBible must be considered as the central source of all truths by witchmen are to be guided in government.”
    -NoahWebster Value of the Bible and excellence of the Christian Religion1834



    Mostof our laws and principles that led to the declaration andconstitution derive from the bible. Early American law books had ourlaws with the bible versus for justification of why they were there.Blackstones 1766 “commentaries on the law” became thefinal word in courts and was a primary legal source. Throughout hiswork he sited the bible as justification for the laws. Charles Finneystudied law and became a christian by reading Blackstones work.There was so much scripture in the law textbook that he converted andbecame a christian. He than went on to become a famous Evangelist inthe second great awakening. Blackstone also said “No human laws areof any validity, if contrary to this...the holy scriptures.”



    “Thefoundations of our society and our government rest so much on theteachings of the Bible thatit would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachingswould cease to be practically universal in our country.”
    -1929President Calvin Coolidge



    Separationof powers comes from Jeremiah 17.9. The idea of three branches ofgovernment comes from Isaiah 33.22. Tax exemption for churches Ezra7.24. Article 1 section 8 of the constitution on uniform immigrationlaws see Leviticus 19.34. Article2 section 1 paragraph 5 see Deuteronomy 17.15. article 3 section 3see Deuteronomy 17.6. Provision against attainder see Ezekiel 18.20.Theright to jury for serious crimes comes from Numbers 35 24-26. Theright to a defendant in court and to know the charges against youcomes from John 7.51 and Proverbs 18.17.Cannotbe convicted but by the testimony of two witnesses Deuteronomy 19.15.That you must have an accuser in court comes form Jesus and thewoman found in adultery when he said “Where are your accusers? When Jesus did not open his mouth to accuse himself at his trialgives the right of not self incriminating, the fifth amendment. Thefirst welfare reform in America was because of Timothy 5.8 and 2Thessalonians 3.10 Ideas suchas privateproperty and the free enterprise system comes from the bible. Article1 section 1 of the constitution comes from Ezekiel. In Numberschapter 1 gods economy for the military was armed citizenry not astanding army. This is why the United States had a very smallnational army and each state had militias the strongest units in theland. And many more.



    “T]heChristian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of allgenuine freedom in government… I am persuaded that no civilgovernment of a republican form can exist and be durable in which theprinciples of Christianity have not a controlling influence.”
    -NoahWebster



    Ourlaws were so closely aligned with Christianity that in 1811 in thecourt case of Peoples vs Ruggles aman was handing out anti-Jesus, anti-god, anti-bible papers, so hewas charged with 3 months in jail and fined $500 dollars for a attackon thecountry.The judge said an attack on Jesus was a attack on Christianity, andan attack on Christianity was a attack on the foundation of thecountry.



    "Thisis a Christian nation. . . . [T]he calling of this republic aChristian nation is not a mere pretence, but a recognition of anhistorical, legal, and social truth"
    -Justice David Brewer(1837-1910), appointed to the Court by President Benjamin Harrison



    “Humanlaw must rest its authority ultimately, upon the authority of thatlaw, which is divine.”
    -JamesWilson Signer of the declaration Supreme Court Justice



    BiblicalEducation
    "TheBible was America's basic text book in all fields." -Noah Webster Thefather of public education in America
    [T]heonly means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms ofgovernment is the universal educationof our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of theBible.
    -BenjaminRush



    “Incolonial times, theBible was the primary tool in the educational process.In fact, according to Columbia University Professor Dr. Lawrence A.Cremin, the Bible was “the single most primary source for theintellectual history of colonial America.” From their knowledge ofthe Bible, a highly literate, creative people emerged.” -Swanson,M.-E. 1983. Teaching Children the Bible. Mayflower Institute Journal.1: 5.





    “EarlyAmerican textbooks were throughley christian. The Bible was thecentral text.”
    -StephenMcDowell The Bible America's Source of law and Liberty ProvidenceFoundation 2016




    Schoolsin America were established so everyone could read the biblethemselves. Universities were started to train minsters. In 1782 asan act of congress they published an official bible for use inschools. Our education system included the bible and teachingChristianity as a God reveled system. The Bible was the basictextbook and used far more often in school [sometimes as onlytextbook often due to availability] than any other source. PatrickHenry said the bible should be read in our schools in preference toany other or all combined. The first federal law on education camefrom the northwest ordinance article 3 signed by Washington in 1789. In it, it said, if schools want to be a part of united states theymust teach religion, morality, and than education. And as suprmeecourt justice John Marshall said “The American populationis entirely christian, and with us, Christianity and religion areidentical.” Benjamin Rush the “Father of public schoolsunder the constitution” in 1790 wrote “The mode of educationproper in a republic” and said the three primaryresponsibilities of schools was, first of all, to love and serveGod. Second, love of country. Third love of family. The new Englandprimer was the first textbook published in America, it was theprimary source outside the bible used until 1930. This text wasinterwoven with the bible, for example kids were taught








    Thisso ingrained the bible into the minds of its citizens that a Europeanobserver said in America youwere as likely to here a deep theological debate in a bar, as youwere in a seminary.Because of this upbringing americans viewed the bible as theauthority on allsubjects,not just salvation. And historian George Banecroft said in Americatheir was “In every hand a Bible. Every home a house of prayer.”



    “Thebible was accepted as the ultimate authority on economics andpolitics no less than on religion and morals.”
    -ChristopherHill Historian



    “Thebible was deemed universally relevant...single most importantcultural influence”
    --LawrenceA Cremin



    “Thereis no country in the whole world in which the christian religionretains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America.”
    -Alexis de Tocqueville



    Theculture and education were saturated with the bible. Websters 1828dictionary defined “right” as



    Right-In morals and religion, just; equitable; accordant to thestandard of truth and justice or the will of God. That aloneis right inthe sight of God, which is consonant to his will or law; this beingthe only perfect standard of truth and justice. In social andpolitical affairs, that is right whichis consonant to the laws and customs of a country, provided theselaws and customs are not repugnant to the laws of God. A man'sintentions may be right thoughhis actions may be wrong in consequence of a defect in judgment.



    Property-Theexclusive right of possessing, enjoying and disposing of a thing;ownership. In the beginning of the world, the Creator gave to mandominion over the earth, over the fish of the sea and the fowls ofthe air, and over every living thing. This is the foundation ofman's propertyin the earth and inall its productions.



    "Educationis useless without the Bible."
    -NoahWebster
    “Anation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prizethe rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in theregion of ignorance that tyranny begins.” -Benjamin Fraklin
    Howevertwice in America before 1900 schools tried to teach education withoutChristianity. In1844 a school in Philadelphia said they were going to teach moralitybut not Christianity. It went to the supreme court Svidal vs Girard1844. the supreme Court said to the school



    “whymay not the bible and especially the new testament beread and taughtas divine revaluation in school?its general precepts expounded and its glorious principles ofmorality communicated where can the purist principles of morality belearned so clearly or so perfectly as from the new testament.”
    They ruled Christianity should be taught. Later in 1892 the US supremecourt case church of holy trinity vs united states. when apublic school tried to get Christianity out the court said



    “Nopurpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislationstate or national because this is a religious people...this is a Christian nation.”

    Theysited 87 court precedents from the founding fathers, acts of stategovernments, acts of congress etc to prove we were a Christiannation. The court said many more could be quoted but surely 87 wasenough.
    “Over300 court cases in the past two centuries have said that America is achristian nation.” -DavidBarton American heritage Series






    WashingtonD.C


    "Inthe United States, Christianity is the original, spontaneous, andnational religion"
    -Constitutional law professor EdwardMansfield (1801-1880)



    Ourcapital building was authorized by congress for use as a church. By1867 it was one of the largest in the country. Members ofcongress studied the bible in the white house during secession. The first time the founders met in congress on sep 17 1774 theyopened with prayer and than studied four chapters of the bible. TheWashington monument has multiple bible verses inscribed on it, suchas Proverbs 10.7 John 5.39 and others. Below are just a few of thebiblical inscriptions that can be found in D.C for dozens more see
    WallBuilders, LLC. The American Heritage Series (DVDS10)

    Mosesholding ten commandments Over Supreme Court




    Insidethe Supreme Court Room Display of the 10 commandments




    TenCommandments in the floor of the National Archives






    https://www.aoc.gov/art/relief-portr...awgivers/moses
    MosesNationalStatuary Hall





    “proclaimliberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.”
    -Leviticus25.10 Liberty Bell Inscription




    -Micah6.8 Inscribed on the walls at the library on congress Alsoinscribedare Psalm 19.1 Proverbs 4.7 and John 1.5




    GutenbergBible Library of Congress




    Roomin the capital justoff the rotundareservedfor prayer for members of congress. George Washington knelling inprayer Psalm 16.1 inscribed




    Insidethe rotunda the pilgrims led in prayer by chaplain Brewster with openbible thatreads thenew testament according to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ










    Statueof Moses MainReading Room, Thomas Jefferson Building, Library of Congress
    BARTON: Telling the Truth about Moses - WallBuilders
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    In Genesis 48 Jacob (Israel) is old and near death and Joseph brings his sons Ephraim and Manasseh before Jacob so that they can receive a blessing from him. During the blessing in verse 16 Israel (Jacob) proclaims that his name will be named upon them. This is significant in that it virtually increased the number of Israel's sons from 12 to 13, since Joseph was now two, through his sons, due to this act.

    It is interesting that the Colonies numbered 13 as well when the United States was founded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    In Genesis 48 Jacob (Israel) is old and near death and Joseph brings his sons Ephraim and Manasseh before Jacob so that they can receive a blessing from him. During the blessing in verse 16 Israel (Jacob) proclaims that his name will be named upon them. This is significant in that it virtually increased the number of Israel's sons from 12 to 13, since Joseph was now two, through his sons, due to this act.

    It is interesting that the Colonies numbered 13 as well when the United States was founded.

    well that IS interesting. i'm sure there are other 'coincidences' as well.
    Sarah Sanders doesn't often mop the White House Press Corp Floor...but when she does, she uses Jim Acosta.

    There is no American free press. They're bought and paid for.

    “Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.”

    The Devil whispered in Trumps ear and said,
    "you're not strong enough to withstand the storm".
    President Trump whispered back,"I am The Storm"!

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    Nine Remarkable Similarities between America and Israel; and One Critical Difference

    At first glance, the title of this essay seems a bit absurd. An assertion that the United States and Israel are alike is rather easy to refute. They are countries of vastly different size, geography and climate. Their languages are unrelated. One was founded as a haven for people seeking freedom; the other as a refuge for the Jewish people. Their ethnic communities are dissimilar, as are their structures of government, the nature of their courts, how their militaries are populated, not to mention the hospitality – or lack thereof – of their neighbors. The role and place in the world that each occupies bear little resemblance to one another.
    Nevertheless, there are some remarkable similarities. I shall describe them and then point out a critical difference. The point of this exercise – aside from highlighting the amazing ways that these two strikingly different countries resemble each other – is to explain how the one critical difference might outweigh in importance the myriad similarities; and how, as a consequence of that difference, the little country might serve to lead the bigger one back to a more righteous path.
    Here are the similarities:

    1. Biblical society. The US and Israel are both what I would call “biblical societies” – in the following sense. The Bible, the Old Testament represents a deal that the ancient Israelis made with God more than three thousand years ago – a deal which, incidentally, they viewed as binding on their descendants. The Jews would obey all of God’s commandments and in so doing bring holiness to the world and be a light unto the nations, thus serving God’s purpose of having mankind perfect the world. In return God would make the Jews a great nation that would enjoy peace and prosperity. Israel is the modern fulfillment of that biblical pledge.America has trod a similar path. Namely, a quarter millennium ago, the young Americans made a deal with themselves – a deal that they also viewed as binding on their descendants. The Bible in this case was the Constitution. The people pledged to live according to the rules set forth in the sacred document. In return they would receive lives of peace, freedom, prosperity and moral honor. They and their children would continue to know the blessing of freedom.
    2. Abrogating the founding deal. Regarding the Jewish ‘deal,’ it is easy to argue that neither side (neither the Jews, nor God) has kept his end of the bargain very well. As for the American deal, we did a fairly good job of honoring it for a long time. But now we are in the process of abrogating it.
    3. Born in blood.Both nations gained their independence throughwar.
    4. Prominent part of western civilization. Both countries are prominent outposts of western civilization – that is, societies manifesting: democratic institutions, rule of law, an independent judiciary, citizen’s rights guaranteed by founding documents, a devotion to individual liberty, an open and vigorous culture, and tolerance for minority viewpoints.
    5. Capitalistic. Both enjoy prosperity stemming from a capitalistic economic system. It took the Israelis two generations to figure it out, whereas it’s in the American DNA. Actually, it’s in the Jewish people’s DNA too, but the Israelis needed some time to get over the misguided biases of their socialist founders.
    6. Multicultural. For America this is obvious. For Israel, even though the population is overwhelmingly Jewish, the ethnic backgrounds among the populace (even within each of the two broad Ashkenazi and Sephardi communities) are remarkably diverse.
    7. Nation of immigrants. This is clear in both instances, and is perhaps the most obvious similarity between the two nations.
    8. Innovative and entrepreneurial people. This has been one of the most salient features of the US from its founding (as described, for example, by de Tocqueville). It took a while for the government to get out of the way in Israel, but once it did, the entrepreneurial spirit of the Israeli citizenry exploded.
    9. Bulls-eye on the back. Would that it weren’t so, but both societies are in the cross hairs of the most malevolent movements afoot in the world. Generally, those with their finger on the trigger tend to be Arab fundamentalists, but there is no shortage of other bad actors (radical Islamists, Persian mullahs, the Castro brothers and various South American despots) who profess enmity toward both countries.

    In sum, it is really quite astounding. I venture the reader will find it difficult to name another country whose components match those of the United States in as many ways as does Israel’s. The obvious candidates, for example Great Britain, Canada, Australia, perhaps France, share a great many common features and bonds with the United States: language, common history, allies in war, trading partners. But they also lack a few key aspects that define the US/Israel bond: biblical society, born in blood, nation of immigrants, bulls-eye on the back.
    So I think that the first glance was misleading. There is an inherent symbiosis between the two nations that is unmistakable. Alas, the current US administration seems to be blind to that fact. Of course, that is not the only perversion characteristic of the Obama administration. Leaving aside its maltreatment of the vast majority of Americans, it has also turned its back to Britain, Poland and the Czech Republic, and largely ignored our other traditional allies. At the same time, it cozies up to the Muslim Brotherhood, Putin – the Czar-wannabee, the Iranian mullahs and every tin pot South American dictator. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of Americans are cognizant – even if only subliminally – of the unshakable bonds between Israel and the United States. Opinion polls and actions of Congress confirm this. The bonds of affection – based on the similarities I have identified – between the peoples of the US and of Israel will survive Obama. Of course, that is provided the United States of America survives Obama.
    Now what is the critical difference? It has to do with the second item – abrogation. Sad to say, but the people of the US seem to be losing faith in the fundamental ethos or creed that unified the nation at its birth and for two centuries thereafter. The election of Barack Obama – twice – bears poignant testimony to that loss of faith. If the loss of faith continues – mirroring what has been happening in Western Europe for the last 60 years – then America, as we have known it, is doomed.
    So where is the difference here? I identified the act of abrogation in Israel as one of the similarities to the United States. Ah, but there is a catch. The abrogation is by the Jewish people worldwide with the tenets of Judaism. There is virtually no analogous abrogation going on by the Israeli people with the basic tenets of its creed. Admittedly, Judaism – the religion of the Jewish people and of course of the Jewish inhabitants of Israel – is part of that creed. Moreover, it is true that the majority of Israelis do not practice Orthodox Judaism. But of those who do not, the vast majority are not alienated from it – as are many (maybe most) secular Jews in the Diaspora. And the significant portion of the population that does practice the religion is treated with respect and admiration by the overall populace in Israel. More importantly, the other components of Israel’s founding ethos are alive and well: belief in the nationhood of the Jewish people (Zionism), its language, culture, history, ideals and ethics. I have lived there twice and I can testify to the differences between the US and Israel on that score.
    Allow me to cite one minor, but telling example. For most Americans, too many national holidays (Labor Day, New Years, President’s Day, MLK Day – even Memorial Day and Veteran’s Day to some extent) are merely excuses to take off of work and go shopping. The holiday’s content, steeped in American history and culture, is ignored to a surprising extent. On the other hand, in Israel, every holiday is based on either Israeli history or Jewish history and religious festivals. Every holiday is celebrated – even by the most secular Israelis – in relation to its meaningful content. People may go to the beach, but they also go to Synagogue and pay homage to the Israeli and Jewish history that affords the holiday its meaning.
    Israelis, unlike too many Americans, have not lost faith in the founding ethos, basic creed and ultimate national purpose of their homeland. The love of country and the willingness to defend and promote it is extremely strong throughout the country. The people of America would do well to pay attention to this aspect of Israeli society. Such faith enables Israel to carry on and prosper despite the enormous obstacles that her neighbors – indeed that the whole ‘international community’ – strew in her path. It might help America if its citizens were to re-pledge allegiance to the idea of American Exceptionalism – which heretofore enabled the US to be a beacon of freedom to the world and a boon to all mankind. If we inspect the valor and faith that Israelis exhibit in defense and pursuit of their Zionist dream, it might inspire us to rekindle our own faith in the value of our nation’s historic role in the pursuit of human freedom, both at home and abroad.
    This essay also appeared in The Intellectual Conservative

    This entry was posted in Israel & Jewish Affairs on August 10, 2014 by Ron Lipsman.
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    If you don't read anything of the above article at least read this part.

    Allow me to cite one minor, but telling example.

    For most Americans, too many national holidays (Labor Day, New Years, President’s Day, MLK Day – even Memorial Day and Veteran’s Day to some extent) are merely excuses to take off of work and go shopping. The holiday’s content, steeped in American history and culture, is ignored to a surprising extent.

    On the other hand, in Israel, every holiday is based on either Israeli history or Jewish history and religious festivals. Every holiday is celebrated – even by the most secular Israelis – in relation to its meaningful content. People may go to the beach, but they also go to Synagogue and pay homage to the Israeli and Jewish history that affords the holiday its meaning.

    Israelis, unlike too many Americans, have not lost faith in the founding ethos, basic creed and ultimate national purpose of their homeland. The love of country and the willingness to defend and promote it is extremely strong throughout the country.

    The people of America would do well to pay attention to this aspect of Israeli society. Such faith enables Israel to carry on and prosper despite the enormous obstacles that her neighbors – indeed that the whole ‘international community’ – strew in her path.

    It might help America if its citizens were to re-pledge allegiance to the idea of American Exceptionalism – which heretofore enabled the US to be a beacon of freedom to the world and a boon to all mankind.

    If we inspect the valor and faith that Israelis exhibit in defense and pursuit of their Zionist dream, it might inspire us to rekindle our own faith in the value of our nation’s historic role in the pursuit of human freedom, both at home and abroad.
    Sarah Sanders doesn't often mop the White House Press Corp Floor...but when she does, she uses Jim Acosta.

    There is no American free press. They're bought and paid for.

    “Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.”

    The Devil whispered in Trumps ear and said,
    "you're not strong enough to withstand the storm".
    President Trump whispered back,"I am The Storm"!

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