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    Quote Originally Posted by darroll View Post
    We thought that Wal-Mart would kill our local favorite store.
    We shopped at WalMart and they were forever out of stuff we went in there to buy.
    We ended up back at our favorite store that has what we shop for.

    Amazon what a joke.
    I ordered a package of dry rare beans. I received the shipment. Got another. Notified Amazon, they then sent me another package. I kept them and my next order (A memory device) was one short. I notified them and never heard from them again. They have not heard from me either.
    Then I went and ordered another SD card from New Egg. I typed in my password and they didn't know me. I went with new account and they would mess up the amount (One). Each time that i would correct their order the order would double. Every so often I get an advertisment about a SD card sale...
    That's the Amazonification of local retail. There's almost nothing in on-site inventory anymore.

    It annoys me. I take the time to make the trip, and then the counter dood-bro is looking up my item - often on Amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    I never got it.

    I, too, only use Amazon a couple of times a year. The whole system creeps me out...and when I'm buying something, I like to LOOK at it, when I buy.

    I've had to return stuff to Amazon. They have a system, and it does work, but it's a royal PITA. Rather I'd just like to see the stuff on the shelf, and KNOW it's going to work for me.
    I rarely buy anything from Amazon. Books that I can't find here. ('Matter of fact, just finally cracked open, de Tocquevilles', Democracy in America. )
    Not fond of online shopping, but that's mostly due to our horrendous driveway, and how awful I feel toward any shipper having to traverse it. But, like you, also due to preferring to see and feel what I'm buying. If it's something I know I like, and have bought forever, fine. Otherwise? No, I gotta see the craftsmanship, not the most flattering pic of some object that could well be trash.

    Oh. My daughter, while in Japan, absolutely depends on Amazon for many of her needs. There are no stores there anywhere close to what you can get here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retiredat50 View Post
    There are good and bad aspects of both Walmart and Amazon. For a lot of small businesses, Amazon is the only way they could really stay in business, and yet Amazon does almost nothing for local communities.

    Walmart stimulates local areas by bringing in traffic that will then buy gas, eat at restaurants and provide business to other local service-based businesses. But, Walmart does hurt any business in the area that is selling food and/or goods.

    Of course both Walmart and Amazon are in a race to automate as much of their businesses as they can. Amazon is going with robots and drones and Walmart will soon follow, while Walmart is redesigning their store to almost no checkout option other than self-checkout.

    Either way this was bound to happen, it is just that Walmart and Amazon were the early inovators and made the right decisions.
    Walmart changed the small-general-store concept...obsoleted it. Back when they were expanding north, they would have seminars with local businesses. Walmart focuses on the commodity market - the stuff everyone wants, at the cheap price. They want, or wanted, traffic. Low-volume stuff they did NOT want to bother with. So local merchants were invited to adjust their market aim and inventory. The specialty clothing; the pricier goods.

    Right across the street from one of our Walmart Supercenters, is a World Grocery - which stocks what you'd expect; a Bed, Bath and Beyond; and a local chain sporting-goods store. All are thriving. How can that be? BBB carries stuff Wally World doesn't want to mess with. The Foo-Foo groceries are there for the snobs. And Bob Ward carries firearms - one-quarter their store is devoted to firearms, accessories, and gunsmithy. The other parts are filled with higher-end outdoor gear and clothing and supplies.

    But 2C is right - it was the shopping mall that killed downtown. Actually it was urban rot, that fed the growth of the shopping malls. And when the urban rats moved outward, the shopping malls died, too. The big-box stores could offer security (by court rulings) that malls could not. That is, they could eject non-customers. So, while urban Walmarts often look like a poorly-run Goodwill...they at least have the legal power to control who remains inside.

    Now, with, essentially, no-place safe from hood-rats, Antifa, SJWs being triggered...and potential terrorist hits...Amazon is picking it up. It's not that Amazon is a new concept - before Amazon, there was Priceline, moving into merchandise. It was Jeff Bezos' luck that his move from books to all things, happened at the time people were becoming wary of ANY public gathering location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retiredat50 View Post
    There are good and bad aspects of both Walmart and Amazon. For a lot of small businesses, Amazon is the only way they could really stay in business, and yet Amazon does almost nothing for local communities.

    Walmart stimulates local areas by bringing in traffic that will then buy gas, eat at restaurants and provide business to other local service-based businesses. But, Walmart does hurt any business in the area that is selling food and/or goods.

    Of course both Walmart and Amazon are in a race to automate as much of their businesses as they can. Amazon is going with robots and drones and Walmart will soon follow, while Walmart is redesigning their store to almost no checkout option other than self-checkout.

    Either way this was bound to happen, it is just that Walmart and Amazon were the early inovators and made the right decisions.
    Not disagreeing w/you, but, jftr, Lowe's here had self-checkout long before Wally World did.

    But Wally World has less and less, NON-self checkouts every time you turn around, and I. DON'T. LIKE. IT. When I have a few items? No sweat. A cart full? No. I want to be waited on. I did, afterall, just pay for that service included in the price of the groceries I'm purchasing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    Not disagreeing w/you, but, jftr, Lowe's here had self-checkout long before Wally World did.

    But Wally World has less and less, NON-self checkouts every time you turn around, and I. DON'T. LIKE. IT. When I have a few items? No sweat. A cart full? No. I want to be waited on. I did, afterall, just pay for that service included in the price of the groceries I'm purchasing.


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    Yep, self-checkout has been an option in many stores for many years. The problem is that Walmart is trying to force people to use it by having almost the whole front of the store covered in self-checkout. The few actual cashiers they have long lines making it more likely you will use self-checkout.


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    I suspect that Walmart's reason is...it's getting harder and harder to get functional help that can efficiently manage a cash drawer, make change.

    I would rather use the self checkout. I can whip it right through, bag it the way I want, pay the way I want. Our local Wally emporium just installed new self-serve scanners - a lot more reliable than the old ones.

    Over at Albertson's they do NOT have a self-serve checkout; and INVARIABLY someone ahead of me will have some issue. Charging $5 worth of food and the cardreader doesn't work (not a Foo Stamm card; it was a chipped card, and the machine locked up). Or something where the price isn't known. Or needs to hold the line for hubby to get one more thing.

    I'm finding cashiers really having a hard time with change these days. Probably the same ones who have a hard time understanding Socialism these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retiredat50 View Post




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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    I suspect that Walmart's reason is...it's getting harder and harder to get functional help that can efficiently manage a cash drawer, make change.

    I would rather use the self checkout. I can whip it right through, bag it the way I want, pay the way I want. Our local Wally emporium just installed new self-serve scanners - a lot more reliable than the old ones.

    Over at Albertson's they do NOT have a self-serve checkout; and INVARIABLY someone ahead of me will have some issue. Charging $5 worth of food and the cardreader doesn't work (not a Foo Stamm card; it was a chipped card, and the machine locked up). Or something where the price isn't known. Or needs to hold the line for hubby to get one more thing.

    I'm finding cashiers really having a hard time with change these days. Probably the same ones who have a hard time understanding Socialism these days.
    I never pay cash so them making change is not a problem. The bagging the way you want is a great point though. I arrange my items on the belt the way they should be bagged (frozen altogether, dry goods, cleaning products and so forth) and they still manage to mess it up sometimes.

    My problem with self-checkout in the past was the fact that I buy a lot of fruits and vegetables, it was a pain to navigate the screens for exactly what I was buying. Things are probably different now. Also, if buying beer you have to wait for an employee to come over and enter a code or use a key. If they are engaged with another customer that is having a problem with whatever, it can take a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retiredat50 View Post
    Yep, self-checkout has been an option in many stores for many years. The problem is that Walmart is trying to force people to use it by having almost the whole front of the store covered in self-checkout. The few actual cashiers they have long lines making it more likely you will use self-checkout.
    I don't care for the non-service end of it AT. ALL. Customer service is always what has made one store differ from another, and what brought customers back.

    Yes, I understand that their attempt is to keep costs down, profits up. That's the point of being in business. But, at what price?
    It's bad enough that people drag their stupid cell phones into the store, alienating themselves from other shoppers, rather than be gracious to one another. For businesses to cut their sales associates, (ahem), off from public interaction is going to be a price (savings?) not worth the long-term cost to society. -- Outside of making the term, "Sales Associate" obsolete.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    I don't care for the non-service end of it AT. ALL. Customer service is always what has made one store differ from another, and what brought customers back.

    Yes, I understand that their attempt is to keep costs down, profits up. That's the point of being in business. But, at what price?
    It's bad enough that people drag their stupid cell phones into the store, alienating themselves from other shoppers, rather than be gracious to one another. For businesses to cut their sales associates, (ahem), off from public interaction is going to be a price (savings?) not worth the long-term cost to society. -- Outside of making the term, "Sales Associate" obsolete.


    (P.S. Thanks for the compliment. The feeling's mutual.)
    I agree I do not like the self-checkout. And, I dod not use it. I will stand in a little longer line and when that bothers me I will just go elsewhere. If I have to go across the street to my local Publix and pay a few dollars more, then so be it. I can probably make that up by taking advantage of my Amazon Prime membership and buying dry goods a pet food and such via Amazon.


    The future will be different, this is just brief adjustment to where it is all heading. The end result for something like grocery shopping is going into a store and putting products directly from the shelves into bags and into your cart, then walking out and as you exit everything is automatically charged to your bank account.


    Or, just ordering everything online and having self-driving vehicle come to your house.



    Like it or not, that is where it is heading. And nothing short of a nuclear war is going to change it.

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