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    Federal Lifetime Gun Bans of Non-Violent Felons are Illegal, Argues FPC

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    Federal Lifetime Gun Bans of Non-Violent Felons are Illegal, Argues FPC

    BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |
    JUL 13, 2019





    Many have argued that there’s no reason to deny convicted felons their guns rights once they’ve paid their debt to society. If they’re deemed safe enough to release from prison, the thinking goes, why can’t they exercise their Second Amendment rights as they would any other?

    This seems particularly reasonable in the case of felons who were convicted of non-violent crimes. Now the Firearms Policy Coalition, along with the Firearms Policy Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation and others have filed a brief in a case against a man who was charged with possession of a firearm following a felony fraud conviction years earlier.



    The brief argues
    that there is no tradition of banning peaceable citizens from owning firearms, and that non-violent felons are peaceable in the American and legal tradition.

    Here’s the FPC’s press release . . .

    PHILADELPHIA, PA (JULY 12, 2019) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) and Firearms Policy Foundation (FPF) announced the filing of an important amicus brief in the federal Third Circuit Court of Appeals in the criminal appeal of U.S.A. v. Raphael Hunt-Irving, which challenges the federal lifetime ban on firearm possession by even non-violent felons. The brief was authored by FPC attorney and Legal Fellow Joseph Greenlee, a Second Amendment expert and historian. A copy of the court filing can be accessed at www.firearmspolicy.org/legal.

    Mr. Hunt-Irving had been entirely deprived of his Second Amendment rights based on a non-violent felony, which the government used in order to prosecute him for violating 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1). As in other cases, FPC filed a brief in support of Mr. Hunt-Irving’s Second Amendment claims, using groundbreaking new research by Greenlee to show that the historical basis for bans on felons is the tradition of disarming actually dangerous people convicted of violent felony crimes, not just those the government broadly classifies as ‘felons’ in its statutes.

    “The Supreme Court has made clear that in evaluating a Second Amendment challenge, a court must interpret the Amendment’s text in light of the history and tradition of the founding era,” explained Greenlee. “When the right was codified, only dangerous people had ever been deprived of their right to arms. The federal statute at issue in this case is therefore a violation of the Second Amendment’s protections by disarming non-violent people who have every right to keep and bear arms under every appropriate test and analysis.”

    Since Mr. Hunt-Irving’s conviction was for a non-violent crime, he is distinct from those who have historically been barred from keeping arms. FPC’s brief traces the historical tradition of disarming dangerous persons from the year 602 through the enactment of 18 U.S.C. 922. The brief shows that there is no tradition of banning peaceable citizens from owning firearms, and that non-violent felons are ‘peaceable’ in the American and legal tradition. Thus, it argues, there is no historical justification for a ban on Mr. Hunt-Irving and he should retain his Second Amendment rights.

    FPC and FPF were joined in the brief by Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), Firearms Owners Against Crime (FOAC), and Madison Society Foundation (MSF).

    Firearms Policy Coalition (www.firearmspolicy.org) is a 501(c)4 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPC’s mission is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially the fundamental, individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    Firearms Policy Foundation (www.firearmsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPF’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States and the People’s rights, privileges and immunities deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition, especially the inalienable, fundamental, and individual right to keep and bear arms.
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    Federal Lifetime Gun Bans of Non-Violent Felons are Illegal, Argues FPC

    BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |
    JUL 13, 2019





    Many have argued that there’s no reason to deny convicted felons their guns rights once they’ve paid their debt to society. If they’re deemed safe enough to release from prison, the thinking goes, why can’t they exercise their Second Amendment rights as they would any other?

    This seems particularly reasonable in the case of felons who were convicted of non-violent crimes. Now the Firearms Policy Coalition, along with the Firearms Policy Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation and others have filed a brief in a case against a man who was charged with possession of a firearm following a felony fraud conviction years earlier.



    The brief argues
    that there is no tradition of banning peaceable citizens from owning firearms, and that non-violent felons are peaceable in the American and legal tradition.

    Here’s the FPC’s press release . . .

    PHILADELPHIA, PA (JULY 12, 2019) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) and Firearms Policy Foundation (FPF) announced the filing of an important amicus brief in the federal Third Circuit Court of Appeals in the criminal appeal of U.S.A. v. Raphael Hunt-Irving, which challenges the federal lifetime ban on firearm possession by even non-violent felons. The brief was authored by FPC attorney and Legal Fellow Joseph Greenlee, a Second Amendment expert and historian. A copy of the court filing can be accessed at www.firearmspolicy.org/legal.

    Mr. Hunt-Irving had been entirely deprived of his Second Amendment rights based on a non-violent felony, which the government used in order to prosecute him for violating 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1). As in other cases, FPC filed a brief in support of Mr. Hunt-Irving’s Second Amendment claims, using groundbreaking new research by Greenlee to show that the historical basis for bans on felons is the tradition of disarming actually dangerous people convicted of violent felony crimes, not just those the government broadly classifies as ‘felons’ in its statutes.

    “The Supreme Court has made clear that in evaluating a Second Amendment challenge, a court must interpret the Amendment’s text in light of the history and tradition of the founding era,” explained Greenlee. “When the right was codified, only dangerous people had ever been deprived of their right to arms. The federal statute at issue in this case is therefore a violation of the Second Amendment’s protections by disarming non-violent people who have every right to keep and bear arms under every appropriate test and analysis.”

    Since Mr. Hunt-Irving’s conviction was for a non-violent crime, he is distinct from those who have historically been barred from keeping arms. FPC’s brief traces the historical tradition of disarming dangerous persons from the year 602 through the enactment of 18 U.S.C. 922. The brief shows that there is no tradition of banning peaceable citizens from owning firearms, and that non-violent felons are ‘peaceable’ in the American and legal tradition. Thus, it argues, there is no historical justification for a ban on Mr. Hunt-Irving and he should retain his Second Amendment rights.

    FPC and FPF were joined in the brief by Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), Firearms Owners Against Crime (FOAC), and Madison Society Foundation (MSF).

    Firearms Policy Coalition (www.firearmspolicy.org) is a 501(c)4 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPC’s mission is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially the fundamental, individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    Firearms Policy Foundation (www.firearmsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPF’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States and the People’s rights, privileges and immunities deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition, especially the inalienable, fundamental, and individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Eh Still aint gonna help me get my "Conceal Carry" Permit..

    At best my Shotgun and my 30/30 rifle shall be "officially" LEGAL..

    I actually own alot of old "Soviet" manufactured arms "Legally"

    Called the "Relics" LOOP-HOLE and when the Soviet Union "collapsed" and became RUSSIA anything under SOVEIT "ERA" is considered a no longer exisisting country

    Also got afew cap n ball revolvers ALSO "relics"
    ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Eh Still aint gonna help me get my "Conceal Carry" Permit..

    At best my Shotgun and my 30/30 rifle shall be "officially" LEGAL..

    I actually own alot of old "Soviet" manufactured arms "Legally"

    Called the "Relics" LOOP-HOLE and when the Soviet Union "collapsed" and became RUSSIA anything under SOVEIT "ERA" is considered a no longer exisisting country

    Also got afew cap n ball revolvers ALSO "relics"
    Black powder guns and relics are still considered firearms in the eye of the law. Please try to find where it says other wise.
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    Yep, I agree, most drug offenders for pot, etc, et al, should also have their gun rights restored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    Black powder guns and relics are still considered firearms in the eye of the law. Please try to find where it says other wise.

    Soviet Union no longer "Exists" as long as its "Soviet" stamped falls under "RELICS" too

    762 39 SKS is easy to find

    Try finding 9/18 for a Makarov pistol..

    Gotta go to Gun Shows for that
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    Firearms Policy Coalition?

    Who da hell are these people?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickity Plumber View Post
    Firearms Policy Coalition?

    Who da hell are these people?
    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Soviet Union no longer "Exists" as long as its "Soviet" stamped falls under "RELICS" too

    762 39 SKS is easy to find

    Try finding 9/18 for a Makarov pistol..

    Gotta go to Gun Shows for that

    Yeah , I got it that you can find them. There is no East Germany or Yugoslavia either. But all guns are firearms, there is no distinction in the letter of the law saying they are not. Felon prohibitive applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickity Plumber View Post
    Firearms Policy Coalition?

    Who da hell are these people?

    I dunno probably abunch of "Cry-Baby" TWITS who Cry about Banning ALL GUNS..

    Kinda like "word here" Activists "against" Everthything..

    Even our so called 2 Party system that is "completely" Bribed and now we send Barteneders to Senate and "Open" QUEERS now have a shot at "PRESIDENT"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    Yeah , I got it that you can find them. There is no East Germany or Yugoslavia either. But all guns are firearms, there is no distinction in the letter of the law saying they are not. Felon prohibitive applies.

    Look up the "Relics" Loophole..

    Relics covers Powder muskets, Old Cap n Ball revolvers..

    And "note" ANY FIREARM "manufactured" in Country that "No-Longer" EXISTS..

    Soviet Union made lots of neat stuff and NO LONGER "Exists"..
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