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    Independence Day and Britons

    This is not exactly a rant--it is more like an observation--but I really could not think just where else to place it.

    I seriously wonder just how a Briton, traveling in the US, might have viewed our celebration of Independence Day.

    It is really not quite as cut-and-dried as it might initially seem.

    For it is my understanding that contemporary Britons, for the most part, believe that countries, once they mature, should break with their mother countries--much as adolescents, once they become young adults, break with their parents.

    On the other hand, there was a lot of blood shed (on both sides) over this breakup.

    Thoughts?

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    viewing comments on other sites about various subjects i've noticed most brits side with our conservatives here as they see how the left has ruined it for them at home.
    "The nose, knows"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    This is not exactly a rant--it is more like an observation--but I really could not think just where else to place it.

    I seriously wonder just how a Briton, traveling in the US, might have viewed our celebration of Independence Day.

    It is really not quite as cut-and-dried as it might initially seem.

    For it is my understanding that contemporary Britons, for the most part, believe that countries, once they mature, should break with their mother countries--much as adolescents, once they become young adults, break with their parents.

    On the other hand, there was a lot of blood shed (on both sides) over this breakup.

    Thoughts?
    You are incorrect.

    The breakup of the famous British Empire always entailed violence and the attempt by the British to hold onto that empire, essentially for king & country and selfish economic reasons. The East India Tea Company ruled India, and their civil servants and the Viceroy held more power over millions than the British crown itself. They made no effort to ever improve the lot of the Indian population to prepare her for entry into the modern respected nation states of today.

    In their march to empire, with the exception of the American colonists, the British never faced a modern, white army, using modern rifles against them until they hatched their purely greedy, economic attack against the South African Boers in 1899-1902 to confiscate the Transvaal Region. The brutal gorilla fighting between the mounted, organized Dutch Boers, 300-year settlers of South Africa and the British regulars, was brutal as anything seen in wartime ever. The British burned the Boer farms and crops, executed by firing squad without trial, Boer soldiers, penned their women and children in horrid concentration camps (a British invention), and finally had to send a major army excursion into South Africa to win the war. Prior to that, most British conquests were against spear-chucking natives.

    In Ireland, the British government organized a 700-year tragic misrule of that tiny island. They attempted to stamp out all Celtic traditions; eliminate the Catholic Church and its priests; gave away massive amounts of Irish land tracts to the Protestant, mostly Scot soldiers who fought on their side, displacing the Irish Catholic farmers to the worse farmland in the country; doing a separate classic divide and conquer tactic to keep the two natural allied farming entities at odds with each other for hundreds of years over religion.

    The Irish fought back in several major uprising's, were always defeated, and the British hung thousands and thousands of Irish patriots, and jailed thousands throughout their reign. Irish Home Rule was the sticky wicket of British politics for over 100-years, when the Irish Home Rule Party stupidly took seats in the British Parliament where their voices and wishes were routinely drowned out. Not exactly adolescent children trying to separate peacefully from their parents, the metaphor was dead the moment you wrote it, through historical evidence.

    The British withheld food from Ireland when their stable potatoe crop failed in the mid-1800's, to send the food the Irish peasants needed to survive to England for the major landowners to pay their gambling and other debts and such, consequently, allowing the Irish population to starve to death and eat grass. They drove more Irishmen out of the tiny country to scatter across the world than occupy the island today. The creation of horrific slums like the Derry and Belfast bogside neighborhoods, where disease was rampant, were equally as horrid as their South African concentration camps.

    Thousands and thousands of Irish Volunteers fought with the British in World War One, on the understanding they would be granted free independence at the end of the war for their troubles, didn't occur, things got worse in Ireland and the British didn't keep their promise. Eventually, during that war, a group of patriot farmers, poets and musicians banded together in the Irish Republican Brotherhood, took control of Dublin, declared Ireland a free and independent state. Massive British troops were sent in to Dublin to end the uprising easily, and the leaders were all shot to death, without trial.

    Irish patriots, led by Michael Collins rose up after that and harassed the British regulars in skirmishes and streets murders, against a horrific British regiment, the Black & Tans, eventually, Briton tired of the fight, called for a ceasefire, and established an Orange Free State, but annexing Northern Ireland's Ulster province, mostly Protestant, to permanently belonging to the British crown. An Irish Republic was established, but the Ulster argument still exists today. Their penal colony of Australia actually is similar and more loyal to America than the UK today as is Canada, which maintains the longest peaceful border in history with America. Wherever American troops fight, Australian and Canadian troops arrive to assist.

    Britain was drummed out of their possession's in the Middle East, Egypt, Palestine, and in leaving, after abstaining to vote on the UN Resolution that established the partition of Palestine and creating modern Israel, by the world's nations, delivered all their military supplies and strategic positions in the Golan Heights and Jerusalem, to the tiny new nations Arab enemies, who immediately went to war against it. More blood on the British hands.

    The British Empire has permanently had blood on their hands in everything they ever touched. Politics, religion, war, occupation, rule and divide and conquer. In every case they lost. Many nations have blood on their hands of history, America also, but nothing can ever justify the British conquest of so many nations, and their brutal governance of same.

    It was the American Constitution, a radical document from the 18th Century, establishing government of the people and eliminating the "Divine Right Of Kings" to rule, that eventually ended the horrid British Empire. Instead of using their empire to feed the poor, improve their lot in life, bring their colonies peacefully into the modern world of nations, the British were forced, kicking and screaming, into modernization and releasing their captured subjects through bloodshed, always, and today that empire is ancient history - thankfully.

    Briton ruled all of their colonial empire with an iron hand, always, and never let any of them go without a savage fight.

    Stan
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