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    Leftists claim they have won the culture war

    Perhaps they have. They certainly attempt to impact our culture by what they are doing. THey eschew marriage and family...they encourage pre and extramarital sex and abortion. So why do they marry? Like Beyoncé and her man and tiegen and legend. THey promote some kind of lifestyle that is not realistic...nobody works, everyone is unique...and so no one is unique.
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    How the left wins the culture war

    Originally published March 2, 2018 at 2:47 pm Updated March 2, 2018 at 3:08 pm






    Progressives have won on most social issues. They could win on nearly everything else.




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    I wonder if I’m wrong on the subject of guns. I started this latest round of the debate with the presumption that supporters of moderate gun restrictions are popularly strong but legislatively weak. Since Sandy Hook in 2012, more than two dozen states have passed gun laws and almost all of those laws have loosened gun restrictions. Roughly 360 gun bills have been introduced in Congress, and they have all failed but one, which also loosened gun use.
    The blunt fact is that Republicans control most legislatures. To get anything passed, I thought, it would be necessary to separate some Republicans from the absolutist NRA position. To do that you have to depolarize the issue: show gun owners some respect, put red state figures at the head and make the gun discussion look more like the opioid discussion. The tribalists in this country have little interest in the opioid issue. As a result, a lot of pragmatic things are being done across partisan lines.



    The people pushing for gun restrictions have basically done the exact opposite of what I thought was wise. Instead of depolarizing the issue they have massively polarized it. The students from Parkland are being assisted by all the usual hyper-polarizing left-wing groups: Planned Parenthood, Move On and the Women’s March. The rhetoric has been extreme. Marco Rubio has been likened to a mass murderer while the NRA has been called a terrorist organization.


    The early results would seem to completely vindicate my position. The Florida Legislature turned aside gun restrictions. New gun measures in Congress have been quickly shelved. Democrats are more likely to lose House and Senate seats in the key 2018 pro-gun states. The losing streak continues.
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    Yet I have to admit that something bigger is going on. It could be that progressives understood something I didn’t. It could be that you can win more important victories through an aggressive cultural crusade than you can through legislation. Progressives could be on the verge of delegitimizing their foes, on guns but also much else, rendering them untouchable for anybody who wants to stay in polite society. That would produce social changes far vaster than limiting assault rifles.
    Two things have fundamentally changed the landscape. First, over the past two years conservatives have self-marginalized. In supporting Donald Trump they have tied themselves to a man whose racial prejudices, sexual behavior and personal morality put him beyond the pale of decent society.
    While becoming the movement of Dinesh D’Souza, Sean Hannity and Franklin Graham, they have essentially expelled the leaders and thinkers who have purchase in mainstream culture. Conservatism is now less a political or philosophic movement and more a separatist subculture that participates in its own ostracism.

    Second, progressives are getting better and more aggressive at silencing dissenting behavior. All sorts of formerly legitimate opinions have now been deemed beyond the pale on elite campuses. Speakers have been disinvited and careers destroyed. The boundaries are being redrawn across society.
    As Andrew Sullivan noted recently, “workplace codes today read like campus speech codes of a few years ago.” There are a number of formerly popular ideas that can now end your career: the belief that men and women have inherent psychological differences, the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, opposition to affirmative action.
    What’s happening today is that certain ideas about gun rights, and maybe gun ownership itself, are being cast in the realm of the morally illegitimate and socially unacceptable.

    That’s the importance of the corporate efforts to end NRA affiliations. It’s not about NRA members saving some money when they fly. It’s that they are not morally worthy of being among the affiliated groups. The idea is to stigmatize.

    If progressives can cut what’s left of the conservative movement off from mainstream society, they will fundamentally alter the culture war. We think of the culture war as this stagnant thing in which both sides scream at each other. But eventually there could be a winner. Progressives have won on most social issues. They could win on nearly everything else.


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    Continued school shootings could be just the thing that persuades the mainstream that conservatism is vulgar and socially illegitimate, somewhere between smoking and segregationism. If that kind of total victory is on offer for progressives, why should they take my advice and tone things down for the sake of a few small gun laws? The big prize here is not gun laws. It’s winning the culture war, with the gunfight as the final battle.
    The only thing I’d say to my progressive friends is, be careful how you win your victories. It is one thing to win by persuasion and another thing to win by elite cultural intimidation. Illiberalism breeds illiberalism. Using elite power, whether economic or cultural, to silence less educated foes usually produces a backlash.
    Conservatives have zero cultural power, but they have immense political power. Even today, voters trust Republicans on the gun issue more than Democrats. If you exile 40 percent of the country from respectable society they will mount a political backlash that will make Donald Trump look like Adlai Stevenson.





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    Why The Left Has Not Won The Culture War

    The culture war, by its very nature, cannot be won or lost. Culture is inherently dialectic. The buzzer never sounds.
    June 14, 2016 By Glenn T. Stanton
    There have been many declarations lately that the game has been called on the culture war and the Left won. (Here and here are two thoughtful examples.) It wasn’t long ago key leaders in the evangelical community were insisting definitively that the battle for the culture will be forever won or lost in the next few years.
    Both are wrong. The truth is the culture war, by its very nature, cannot be won or lost. Culture is inherently dialectic. The buzzer never sounds. The rotund lady never rises to sing. When the clock does indeed run out at the eschaton, it will be evident and none of us will be calling the game for any side. But until then, the state of the so-called culture war is a measure of yards gained and lost on varied fields at a given moment in time. It ebbs and flows at various levels, in constant motion this way and that, and has been doing so ever since cultural morals and practices were first argued about in the original human community. That’s what culture is.
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    Given this, various quarters are often winning and losing at the same time, sometimes simultaneously experiencing both on a single issue. Let’s look at two recent white-hot examples of this.
    Did religious conservatives lose at Obergefell? Indeed. We also lost at Roe v. Wade. The game over same-sex marriage is no more over than it was at Roe. Such things are not static. Since 1973, there has been a vibrant, growing, and very influential pro-life movement in every major community around the country giving witness to the value of all life.
    Planned Parenthood had been rocked on its heels requiring they play defense long before this year’s infamous undercover videos revealing it is deep in the baby-parts trade. Abortion clinics continue to close at dramatic rates, and restrictions on abortions have been gaining favor and legal passage. The trend lines on who identifies as “pro-life” and “pro-choice” over the last ten years demonstrate this dialectic dramatically as they cross each other with regular frequency and pro-life identity increasing wholesale since 1995.
    The same-sex family experiment—just like the abortion-on-demand experiment—has clearly won itself a dominant place on the field. It will, however, have to demonstrate its worth and longevity in the lives of the couples, the children they obtain, and their family’s impact on their communities. Only the experience that can be gained through time will determine whether this marriage redefinition retains its public support and winning position. Dramatic overreaches such as the unabashed bulldozing of individual religious liberty rights and the right to dissent as well as the LGBT advocacy’s hair-trigger use of “Jim Crow” will quickly displace this issue’s new car smell.
    This is already happening on the bathroom issue in no small way. Beyond general public outrage from armies of momma bears, even in generally liberal communities, the New York Times and New Yorker have printed surprising substantial critiques by Yale and Harvard Law School professors of the president’s mandate that all public schools no longer segregate their restrooms and locker room showers by sex. The LGBT is winning and losing at the same time.
    Take a Look at Feminism

    Consider a longer historical look at the culture war. Does radical feminism have the influence it did 30 years ago? Hardly. Sheryl Sandberg’s moderate “Lean In” is certainly not Betty Friedan’s torching “Feminine Mystique.” Many of Friedan’s readers raised highly educated, skilled daughters with nearly unlimited professional opportunities, but many of them are choosing to put bulk of their weekly energy into motherhood over careers. Those who are not yet mothers to be.
    Looking even further back, the twentieth century was to have concluded with the absolute extermination of that vile opiate of the masses. Science, naturalism, and logical positivism were to have cleansed us of our reliance on all religious superstitions, or perhaps just Christianity. Many believers, then as today, accept this as the case. But Rodney Stark demonstrates in “The Triumph of Faith” that the world is not merely as religious as it ever has been, but “in important ways, it is much more intensely religious than ever before; indeed, it is far more churched.”
    So it is. For as long as citizens hold passionate public convictions and the voice to communicate them, the culture war will always remain in play, marked by evolving setbacks and advances by all sides on numerous issues and often at the very same time.
    This dialectic never consists of just two sides—“us versus them.” There are significant, ever-shifting, and competing sub-factions at play. That is the very nature and complexity of culture, precisely what makes it so curious and difficult to predict.

    Glenn T. Stanton is a Federalist senior contributor who writes and speaks about family, gender, and art, is the director of family formation studies at Focus on the Family, and is the author of the brand new "The Myth of the Dying Church" (Worthy, 2019). He blogs at glenntstanton.com.
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    11 Reasons the Left Has Not Won the Culture War

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    JOHN NOLTE15 Apr 20141,356It is not just Markos of Daily Kos infamy claiming the Left has won the culture war. The Week’s Matt Lewis is saying the same. Yeah, they are both kinda trolling. So ‘scuse me while I take the bait. Let’s start with the biggie: same-sex marriage.

    Yes, polls show gay marriage is breaking out all over, but when put to a vote same-sex marriage has lost (even in California) much more often than not. Furthermore, gay marriage is not being legalized through popular opinion or demand, it is being legalized through activist judges. There is no question that attitudes have changed dramatically towards homosexuals getting gay-married. But the difference between what opinion polls and actual votes have produced should give The Culture Conquerors some pause.

    Granted, many of the referendums passed in favor of traditional marriage some years back probably wouldn’t today. But it is still absurd to call the entire culture war over when you have to rely on autocratic judges to get your way because there is no Civil Rights-style uprising in favor of gay marriage. There is a lot of whining and bullying and cry-babying and media bias pushing gay marriage. But no one is taking it to the streets, or even the ballot box.
    Bottom line: Gay marriage has had to be forced on an American people that is either indifferent or opposed. A win’s a win, I guess, but it’s an ugly and divisive win that did not come with popular acceptance.
    The silliest part of The Culture War Is Over talk is the lack of historical context. During the hedonistic Roaring 20’s and the Dirty Filthy Hippie 60’s, the Left was probably pretty sure they had won the culture wars. Then post-war America and the 80’s happened.
    And even today…
    1. While judges are legalizing gay marriage, Christianity is making a major comeback in the free market of entertainment.
    2. While pot is being legalized in a few states, the pro-abortion movement is on its heels in a majority of states and in opinion polls.
    3. While television shows become more sex-driven, elsewhere on television the masculine male is making a comeback on wildly popular reality shows that celebrate the working class and their traditional values.
    4. While Colbert wins David Letterman’s spot, Jimmy Fallon figured out he had to remain apolitical if he wanted to remain number one.
    5. While the rise of the weak, neurotic, man-child metrosexual-nerd dominates one forgettable movie after another, a new Golden Age in television has brought us an assembly line of flawed but masculine anti-heroes — “real men” protagonists like Jack Bauer, Don Draper, Walter White, Raylan Givens, Tony Soprano, the cast of The Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, and even House of Cards.
    6. While Miley twerks and MTV baby-mamas, unions and the union mentality are dying.
    7. While the left-wing mainstream media figures out how to survive, conservative media is on the upswing.

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    8. While the gaystapo makes war against those who don’t wish to celebrate the gay-married, the demand for charter schools and school choice grows.
    9. While we’re paying for Sandra Fluke’s right to birth control, we’re prevailing on our Second Amendment civil rights in ways unimagined just ten years ago.
    10. While our federal government is constructing Orwellian First Amendment Zones, the Supreme Court is slowly suffocating the campaign finance laws that gave our government, union and media overseers a near-monopoly on political speech.
    11. Occupy is dead. The Tea Party lives.
    Moreover, we live in a culture that will never again (or at least in the foreseeable future) spit on the American Serviceman or get weak-kneed on crime. Those are seismic wins for the political Right. Young people might find this hard to believe, but forty years ago the Left was all about coddling violent criminals and denigrating our fighting men as “baby killers.”
    Markos is right about one thing, and he’s pretty excited about it:
    For a crowd that flinches at any notion of sex, it’s gotta be impossible to escape sexual imagery, from advertising to media to Miley Cyrus’ latest whatever-the-hell she is doing.
    Yes, Markos, you’ve done it: our culture is now so grotesquely coarse that young women publicly degrading and exploiting themselves is acceptable and profitable.
    Well done.
    Take a bow.
    But while you’re patting yourself on the back with one hand and doing I don’t want to know what with the other, consider reading a book. We saw the same during the Roaring 20’s. It didn’t last.
    You see, it’s not just the American culture but the human condition itself that is cyclical. Anyone who understands American and world history — hell, anyone who is my age understands this.
    I’m old enough to remember San Francisco liberals spitting on soldiers and our flag. Today Nancy Pelosi knows that she has to speak openly about patriotism and her support for our troops. She even talks about Jesus.
    History proves that the culture ebbs and it flows. Times change and then they change back. American Christianity wanes (as it is now) and then it surges. In the long run on that particular point, my money is on a fella named Francis, not Barack.
    The Right has won some culture battles. The Left has won some culture battles. The war, however, rages on. And as things stand right now, let me just say that if “losing” means that in ten years millions are gay-married while the abomination of abortion is halfway through its last gap, feel free to throw me in the briar patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rita Marley View Post
    They claim they won the election, too.

    good point.
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    The left did not win any "culture war," they slashed their cultural wrists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    Perhaps they have. They certainly attempt to impact our culture by what they are doing. THey eschew marriage and family...they encourage pre and extramarital sex and abortion. So why do they marry? Like Beyoncé and her man and tiegen and legend. THey promote some kind of lifestyle that is not realistic...nobody works, everyone is unique...and so no one is unique.
    I disagree.

    The Left has taken control of the judiciary and they have used it to impose their agenda on the nation. But many people (I claim a majority) do not believe the social "values" of the Left.

    The Left has not won the culture war, they just make it look like they have won. They control the media, the media is just a propaganda machine for the Left, and they make it look like their view is everywhere and is "normal".

    My opinion is that this can't go on much longer before the nation explodes. The Left operated quietly in the past, advancing their agenda behind the scenes and not getting much resistance because their changes were incremental and did not hit people square in the face. But they have reached the limit, to make further advances they have to impact peoples daily lives. They have to get very personal and attack peoples children, families, religion, politics, freedoms.

    The transgender bathrooms in elementary schools breached the dam. Guns, abortion, health care, taxes, wealth redistribution, slavery reparations, school admissions, diversity driven promotions and hiring. Its all out in the open.

    There are several trip wires.

    The next time the Democrats control DC they will ram their full agenda down the nations throat. I think all those "red" counties and states will refuse to comply.

    If the Democrats lose in 2020, particularly if they lose the House and Trump wins, the will reject the entire election and will go violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    Perhaps they have. They certainly attempt to impact our culture by what they are doing. THey eschew marriage and family...they encourage pre and extramarital sex and abortion. So why do they marry? Like Beyoncé and her man and tiegen and legend. THey promote some kind of lifestyle that is not realistic...nobody works, everyone is unique...and so no one is unique.
    "Pretending you've won" is the oldest trick in the book!

    What I think is, the media is full of itself. They're starting to believe their own bullshit.

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