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    The Strange Ambush of Team Rock Mat, Vietnam 1970

    This is a strange story from Vietnam I have never heard.

    Curious if anyone else has?


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    they wernt covering their backtrail with a claymore? srsly?
    i know. lets flip our buts and candy wrappers away as we are done with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    they wernt covering their backtrail with a claymore? srsly?
    i know. lets flip our buts and candy wrappers away as we are done with them.
    You couldn’t leave a claymore behind. You set them up as a night perimeter or as ambush initiators but couldn’t leave a live one behind to be commandeered by the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Gunman View Post
    'their m16 assault rifles were locked and loaded...'
    with master locks? or gymn locker combo locks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    You couldn’t leave a claymore behind. You set them up as a night perimeter or as ambush initiators but couldn’t leave a live one behind to be commandeered by the enemy.
    you time pencil it

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is a strange story from Vietnam I have never heard.

    Curious if anyone else has?


    I have been a study of Army LRP’s and the later Ranger LRRP’s six man teams. They recounted this in one briefing. They were not a fan of more than 4 man patrols. The six man SOP made many old timers quit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    I have been a study of Army LRP’s and the later Ranger LRRP’s six man teams. They recounted this in one briefing. They were not a fan of more than 4 man patrols. The six man SOP made many old timers quit.
    4 man patrols being more concealable?

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    ......once a thousand people had lived in the valley to which Lutken now came. He stood on a high ridge and looked across the green jungles to the mountains on the far side. Where had all the people gone? Why had they gone away? The Kachins had a strange answer. " It is because of the weretigers, duwa, " said the jaiwa. ~ Behind Japanese Lines - With the OSS in Burma~Richard Dunlap
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    4 man patrols being more concealable?
    Yes. Less noise , less smells , less tracks also. The LRP mission was not to engage so fire power was not an issue.

    These teams were priority #1 for the NVA. They had bounties on their heads and spotters were everywhere looking to send out hunter platoons or more in search of them. When inserting they did many false touch downs to throw off the actual LZ is used. By 1970 a large portion of the possible LZ’s were monitored and/or booby trapped. It was getting tough to be recon when the NVA knew the air and artillery strikes called by LRRP’s was more costly and dangerous than taking on line troop battalions.
    I’m going to have to find out more about the Marine Recon missions now. Thanks.
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