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    Presidential History

    Feel free to add-subtract or debate any of these.

    George Washington - established the Presidential template. Defined the job.

    John Adams - crusty Federalist; Main accomplishment was taking over the office from Washington without bloodshed.

    Thomas Jefferson - philosopher and writer. Didn't enjoy his time as President.Adding the Louisiana Purchase was his greatest accomplishment in office.

    Aaron Burr - rascal. Yes he was elected President, tied with Jefferson. He didn't campaign for the office when the election went to the House, but didn't stop others from campaigning for him either. Became Vice President, destroyed his career in the famous duel where he killed Alexander Hamilton. Founder of NYC's Tammany Hall, lived on to 86. Famous line? "At the most critical time in Hamilton's life, his hand shook - mine never does." Historical rumor is that Martin Van Buren was his illegitimate son. Among his many enemies - Congressman Davey Crockett.

    Andrew Jackson. The Western wind blows into Washington, the uncouth, uncivilized dirt on their heels Westerners follow Old Hickory into office. Destroyed Hamilton's National Bank, his election was as improbable as Donald Trump's, that's why his painting hangs today in the Oval Office. Military hero, he hung a few enemies in his time. With Jefferson founded the Democratic Party.

    Abraham Lincoln - memory is lost in the mists of history. Was a shrewd lawyer who knew his mind, and saved the Union, willing to spill as much blood as necessary to do so. Freed the slaves with the 13th amendment. Famous line, when General Meade cabled him that the Union Army had won the Battle of Gettysburg and Lee's forces were in retreat stating "we have driven the enemy from our soil. Lincoln exploded in rage stating "They don't understand it one bit - it is ALL OUR SOIL. Virginia; Tennessee; Texas."

    U.S. Grant - betrayed by his friends in office, Civil War hero, was very unsuccessful in office. Civil Service was his bugaboo. For someone as well known and loved as Grant was for defeating Lee in battle, he was a lousy President for two full terms.

    Rutherford B. Hayes - wasn't a legitimate President. N.Y. Governor Samuel Tilden won the 1876 election, but Republicans challenged the vote in most of the Southern states throwing the election to the House, which chose Hayes. Accomplishment, in payment for receiving the Presidency, withdrew all Federal forces from Southern soil where they had been since Appomattox. Without the U.S. Army controlling the South, allowed the old-line sheriff's and politicians to re-establish control, and set about a 100-year Democratic reign of terror under the Jim Crow laws against the Blacks.

    Teddy Roosevelt - activist; conservationist. War hero. First President to understand and use the office as a bully pulpit for public affairs. Built the Great White Fleet and the Panama Canal, introducing modern America to the world. Slogan, "walk softly and carry a big stick." Survived an assassination attempt running for a third term as head of the Bull Moose Party, when the fired bullet lodged in his personal Bible in his coat pocket, failing to penetrate his stomach.

    Woodrow Wilson, Racist; Educator. Took America into World War I winning it for the allies. His appearance in Europe after the war was greeted as a hero. But he didn't understand the anger of the British, French and Italian Prime Ministers who had fought Germany over the years. British PM stated "who is this guy Wilson with his 14-Points, Jesus only had 10." They ignored Wilson and laid the Versailles Treaty on a defeated Germany - leading to the rise of the Nazi's and Hitler and World War II. Campaigning for U.S. membership in the League of Nations across the country he suffered a stroke and his wife quietly took over the duties of the Presidency. Only President buried in Washington, D.C.

    Calvin Coolidge - Silent Cal. The business of America is business. Hands off. Served two terms throughout the Roaring 20's. One wag made a bet and told him once he had $10 bucks riding on getting the President to say more than three words in a single sentence - Coolidge replied "You lose."

    Herbert Hoover - blamed for the Depression when in fact, many of the New Deal ideas FDR tried were originally ones Hoover tried to put into effect. Fed Europe after World War I, and Truman brought him out of retirement after World War II and sent him on a fact-finding mission to a devastated Europe where he repeated his miracle of feeding our allies. Unfortunately, he will be best remembered for the shantytown "Hoovervilles."

    Franklin Roosevelt - if Teddy was the first activist, FDR took it to a new level, trying everything possible to put the breaks on the Great Depression. Many of the ideas failed to work, some still are with us today. Social Security; FDIC; the TVA, etc. Master politician, broke the two term precedent set by Washington. Led America out of the Great Depression and successfully led us to victory in World War II. Doing all of that from a wheelchair. Loved and hated, FDR had a wonderful voice which he used like Trump uses his Twitter account, to speak to America's directly by radio. Major father figure to the Greatest Generation. Liked the press, used to gather them around his desk, and give them upcoming details of things and state "You have your story - now run" and run they did.

    Harry Truman - character. The reason many people hated him was because he wasn't FDR, but he ended World War II dropping the Atomic bombs on Japan. Supervised the rebuilding of Japan and Germany into major, modern Western democratic powers. Tackled MaCarthyism head-on. Honest. Starred down Stalin at Potsdam, and backed the Soviet army out of Greece and Turkey by threatening hostilities. Stopped the Soviet advance in its tracks at the chop lines where they were at the end of World War II. Took American into the UN sponsored Korean War, where Doug MacArthur was in charge (as Shogun rebuilding Japan and Chief of Staff in Korea). Mac went off the deep end, fought politically with Truman and got his azz fired, restoring civilian control of the military. Truman won an improbable election for the Presidency in 1948 in a major upset. Fine record for the little man from Independence, Missouri. Famous quote, when asked if he regretted dropping the A-Bombs, said "I was President for the better part of 7-years, and waited patiently for Japan to apologize for Pearl Harbor, they never did." They never have, even today.

    Dwight Eisenhower - I Like Ike. Hero. Type of guy who could get elected forever. Led America to victory in Europe in World War II - then became the first director of the newly formed NATO Alliance. Ran for President as a Republican, Truman could have run again but decided against it. Won twice in landslides. His speech to the American people about the dangers of the military-industrial complex as he left office, have rung true. Started America down the road to win the Space Race and built the Interstate Highway system. Hard to find much wrong with Dwight Eisenhower.

    John Kennedy - poise, youth, charm, anglophile. War hero. Like Lincoln his memory is lost in history's mists and his assassination shocked modern America. First Catholic to become President. National debt when he took office, $2 billion dollars, hard to believe, and he ran a tax cut. Solved the hugely dangerous Cuban Missile Crisis as we almost went to nuclear war with Russia. His legacy will be funding the Space Race and the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty with the USSR ending tests in the atmosphere. Everyone who was around at the time remembers his "Ask not speech" however I think his finest one was in Berlin with his speech at the wall. He also spoke to the Skull & Bones Club of Yale University - where he displayed more of his wit by stating "I now have what every American boy dreams of, a Harvard education and a Yale degree."

    Lyndon Johnson - mover, shaker, power broker - Big Texan. Had to rein in his ambition as he served out Kennedy's term, easily won election in 1964 and he started his bullying of everybody, Civil Rights is his legacy along with the Great Society and the War on Poverty. However, failure to understand the relatively minor skirmish in Vietnam for exactly that - minor - a proxy fight with China - he escalated it to 675,000 troops, bombed the hell out of Hanoi and Haiphong and eventually, America lost 58,000 lives there. Decided not to run for re-election in 1968, although he was eligible to do so. History isn't looking kindly on Lyndon Johnson.

    Richard Nixon - paranoia, but behind that, a superb politician. FDR, Truman and Kennedy would have admired the manner in which he dismantled the Democratic stranglehold on the South and turned it into GOP territory, where it remains today. Showed his courage in Mexico when his car was attacked by a mob; shook his finger in Kruschev's face in Moscow for the cameras; friend of J.Edgar Hoover and Walter Winchell. Everybody figured his political career was finished when he lost the Governor's race in California in 1962. But he was resilient and won a narrow victory in 1968 and was reelected in 1972. Probably his greatest accomplishment was opening up China with an historic visit that split Sino-Soviet relations in half and scared the Russians to death. Was President for the moon landing. The Watergate scandal was his downfall as was paranoia, and the fact he couldn't handle liquor well. Resigned in disgrace, but gave the 18-year olds the vote. If one sets Watergate aside, Nixon has a solid record of accomplishment despite dealing throughout with a Democrat Congress. In his final years, he quietly mentored and advised a young President, Bill Clinton.

    Gerald Ford - solid, predictable. Ended the Vietnam War. If he hadn't issued an ill-timed pardon to Nixon at the height of the time America wanted him tried in court - he easily would have beat Carter. Unfortunately he also sat on the Warren Commission and signed off on that piece of fiction about the Kennedy Assassination.

    Jimmy Carter - Scrogge. moralist; always criticizing America for its faults. Was unsuccessful as President with OPEC oil crisis lining American's up on odd-even days for gasoline, while loan rates went through the roof. Too involved in all the White House West wing daily minutia to get anything done, failed to stop the Iran embassy takeover; Did assist in negotiating the Camp David Accords which led to a peace treaty, still in effect between Israel and Egypt, a major accomplishment. Recent reports from Secret Service men who served on his detail say he had a more obnoxious and vulgar tongue than Hillary Clinton. World traveler, everybody thinks he is a saint today - however no President has asked for, or wants his counsel of involvement in foreign affairs. History not treating him kindly either.

    Ronald Reagan - joyful. knew his own mind. Hated the USSR, calling it an Evil Empire. His tax cuts brought America back on line financially from the Carter malaise. Hugely respected throughout the world, his economic plans and expenditures broke the bank on Russia and brought about the fall of the Soviet Union. Most famous quote, "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall" in Berlin.

    George Bush, Sr. - Deep State operative, and that is enough said. Most prepared for the office of anybody - how he managed to lose after a successful land war in the Middle East, it is hard to believe. That "thousand points of light" disappeared quite fast.

    Blll Clinton - successful; young; bright; nobody knew of his pervert activities. Worst idea was his signing the NAFTA trade treaty. A conventional politician in the Huey Long class, his two terms were quite successful, and he showed his skill when Newt Gingrich, with his Contract for America put Clinton's agenda at the mercy of a GOP Congress. Downfall? Sex. Last President to leave office with a balanced budget.

    George Bush. Wandered completely off of the reservation, however, in fairness - he was hit with the 9/11 terrorist attack only nine months into office and had to act. Unfortunately, he went after the wrong enemy in Iraq, instead of Afghanistan. Credit his "surge" toward stabilizing Iraq, but he ends up with about a 23% approval rating, quite low. History won't judge him well, but in time, will probably look at him better than the present. Credit Michael Dukakis driving around the farm in an Army tank to getting him reelected.

    Barrack Obama - hope and change - America took a chance on a rookie, but we do that almost every election. Turned the normal middle course of our politics to the far far left, but his personality and youth put the usual media experts to sleep and they didn't vette him. We are paying that price today. Historically, he will stand in good light as the first Black to win the office. Accomplishment? None I can seem to remember now.

    Donald Trump - MAGA; the average Harry Truman American voters answer to the snakes in Washington's Deep State, sending a very, very large spitting cobra to set up shop in the Oval Office. At this point? Keeping his promises despite Trump Derangement Syndrome of the left. Hope it continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Fan View Post
    Feel free to add-subtract or debate any of these.

    George Washington - established the Presidential template. Defined the job.

    John Adams - crusty Federalist; Main accomplishment was taking over the office from Washington without bloodshed.

    Thomas Jefferson - philosopher and writer. Didn't enjoy his time as President.Adding the Louisiana Purchase was his greatest accomplishment in office.

    Aaron Burr - rascal. Yes he was elected President, tied with Jefferson. He didn't campaign for the office when the election went to the House, but didn't stop others from campaigning for him either. Became Vice President, destroyed his career in the famous duel where he killed Alexander Hamilton. Founder of NYC's Tammany Hall, lived on to 86. Famous line? "At the most critical time in Hamilton's life, his hand shook - mine never does." Historical rumor is that Martin Van Buren was his illegitimate son. Among his many enemies - Congressman Davey Crockett.

    Andrew Jackson. The Western wind blows into Washington, the uncouth, uncivilized dirt on their heels Westerners follow Old Hickory into office. Destroyed Hamilton's National Bank, his election was as improbable as Donald Trump's, that's why his painting hangs today in the Oval Office. Military hero, he hung a few enemies in his time. With Jefferson founded the Democratic Party.

    Abraham Lincoln - memory is lost in the mists of history. Was a shrewd lawyer who knew his mind, and saved the Union, willing to spill as much blood as necessary to do so. Freed the slaves with the 13th amendment. Famous line, when General Meade cabled him that the Union Army had won the Battle of Gettysburg and Lee's forces were in retreat stating "we have driven the enemy from our soil. Lincoln exploded in rage stating "They don't understand it one bit - it is ALL OUR SOIL. Virginia; Tennessee; Texas."

    U.S. Grant - betrayed by his friends in office, Civil War hero, was very unsuccessful in office. Civil Service was his bugaboo. For someone as well known and loved as Grant was for defeating Lee in battle, he was a lousy President for two full terms.

    Rutherford B. Hayes - wasn't a legitimate President. N.Y. Governor Samuel Tilden won the 1876 election, but Republicans challenged the vote in most of the Southern states throwing the election to the House, which chose Hayes. Accomplishment, in payment for receiving the Presidency, withdrew all Federal forces from Southern soil where they had been since Appomattox. Without the U.S. Army controlling the South, allowed the old-line sheriff's and politicians to re-establish control, and set about a 100-year Democratic reign of terror under the Jim Crow laws against the Blacks.

    Teddy Roosevelt - activist; conservationist. War hero. First President to understand and use the office as a bully pulpit for public affairs. Built the Great White Fleet and the Panama Canal, introducing modern America to the world. Slogan, "walk softly and carry a big stick." Survived an assassination attempt running for a third term as head of the Bull Moose Party, when the fired bullet lodged in his personal Bible in his coat pocket, failing to penetrate his stomach.

    Woodrow Wilson, Racist; Educator. Took America into World War I winning it for the allies. His appearance in Europe after the war was greeted as a hero. But he didn't understand the anger of the British, French and Italian Prime Ministers who had fought Germany over the years. British PM stated "who is this guy Wilson with his 14-Points, Jesus only had 10." They ignored Wilson and laid the Versailles Treaty on a defeated Germany - leading to the rise of the Nazi's and Hitler and World War II. Campaigning for U.S. membership in the League of Nations across the country he suffered a stroke and his wife quietly took over the duties of the Presidency. Only President buried in Washington, D.C.

    Calvin Coolidge - Silent Cal. The business of America is business. Hands off. Served two terms throughout the Roaring 20's. One wag made a bet and told him once he had $10 bucks riding on getting the President to say more than three words in a single sentence - Coolidge replied "You lose."

    Herbert Hoover - blamed for the Depression when in fact, many of the New Deal ideas FDR tried were originally ones Hoover tried to put into effect. Fed Europe after World War I, and Truman brought him out of retirement after World War II and sent him on a fact-finding mission to a devastated Europe where he repeated his miracle of feeding our allies. Unfortunately, he will be best remembered for the shantytown "Hoovervilles."

    Franklin Roosevelt - if Teddy was the first activist, FDR took it to a new level, trying everything possible to put the breaks on the Great Depression. Many of the ideas failed to work, some still are with us today. Social Security; FDIC; the TVA, etc. Master politician, broke the two term precedent set by Washington. Led America out of the Great Depression and successfully led us to victory in World War II. Doing all of that from a wheelchair. Loved and hated, FDR had a wonderful voice which he used like Trump uses his Twitter account, to speak to America's directly by radio. Major father figure to the Greatest Generation. Liked the press, used to gather them around his desk, and give them upcoming details of things and state "You have your story - now run" and run they did.

    Harry Truman - character. The reason many people hated him was because he wasn't FDR, but he ended World War II dropping the Atomic bombs on Japan. Supervised the rebuilding of Japan and Germany into major, modern Western democratic powers. Tackled MaCarthyism head-on. Honest. Starred down Stalin at Potsdam, and backed the Soviet army out of Greece and Turkey by threatening hostilities. Stopped the Soviet advance in its tracks at the chop lines where they were at the end of World War II. Took American into the UN sponsored Korean War, where Doug MacArthur was in charge (as Shogun rebuilding Japan and Chief of Staff in Korea). Mac went off the deep end, fought politically with Truman and got his azz fired, restoring civilian control of the military. Truman won an improbable election for the Presidency in 1948 in a major upset. Fine record for the little man from Independence, Missouri. Famous quote, when asked if he regretted dropping the A-Bombs, said "I was President for the better part of 7-years, and waited patiently for Japan to apologize for Pearl Harbor, they never did." They never have, even today.

    Dwight Eisenhower - I Like Ike. Hero. Type of guy who could get elected forever. Led America to victory in Europe in World War II - then became the first director of the newly formed NATO Alliance. Ran for President as a Republican, Truman could have run again but decided against it. Won twice in landslides. His speech to the American people about the dangers of the military-industrial complex as he left office, have rung true. Started America down the road to win the Space Race and built the Interstate Highway system. Hard to find much wrong with Dwight Eisenhower.

    John Kennedy - poise, youth, charm, anglophile. War hero. Like Lincoln his memory is lost in history's mists and his assassination shocked modern America. First Catholic to become President. National debt when he took office, $2 billion dollars, hard to believe, and he ran a tax cut. Solved the hugely dangerous Cuban Missile Crisis as we almost went to nuclear war with Russia. His legacy will be funding the Space Race and the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty with the USSR ending tests in the atmosphere. Everyone who was around at the time remembers his "Ask not speech" however I think his finest one was in Berlin with his speech at the wall. He also spoke to the Skull & Bones Club of Yale University - where he displayed more of his wit by stating "I now have what every American boy dreams of, a Harvard education and a Yale degree."

    Lyndon Johnson - mover, shaker, power broker - Big Texan. Had to rein in his ambition as he served out Kennedy's term, easily won election in 1964 and he started his bullying of everybody, Civil Rights is his legacy along with the Great Society and the War on Poverty. However, failure to understand the relatively minor skirmish in Vietnam for exactly that - minor - a proxy fight with China - he escalated it to 675,000 troops, bombed the hell out of Hanoi and Haiphong and eventually, America lost 58,000 lives there. Decided not to run for re-election in 1968, although he was eligible to do so. History isn't looking kindly on Lyndon Johnson.

    Richard Nixon - paranoia, but behind that, a superb politician. FDR, Truman and Kennedy would have admired the manner in which he dismantled the Democratic stranglehold on the South and turned it into GOP territory, where it remains today. Showed his courage in Mexico when his car was attacked by a mob; shook his finger in Kruschev's face in Moscow for the cameras; friend of J.Edgar Hoover and Walter Winchell. Everybody figured his political career was finished when he lost the Governor's race in California in 1962. But he was resilient and won a narrow victory in 1968 and was reelected in 1972. Probably his greatest accomplishment was opening up China with an historic visit that split Sino-Soviet relations in half and scared the Russians to death. Was President for the moon landing. The Watergate scandal was his downfall as was paranoia, and the fact he couldn't handle liquor well. Resigned in disgrace, but gave the 18-year olds the vote. If one sets Watergate aside, Nixon has a solid record of accomplishment despite dealing throughout with a Democrat Congress. In his final years, he quietly mentored and advised a young President, Bill Clinton.

    Gerald Ford - solid, predictable. Ended the Vietnam War. If he hadn't issued an ill-timed pardon to Nixon at the height of the time America wanted him tried in court - he easily would have beat Carter. Unfortunately he also sat on the Warren Commission and signed off on that piece of fiction about the Kennedy Assassination.

    Jimmy Carter - Scrogge. moralist; always criticizing America for its faults. Was unsuccessful as President with OPEC oil crisis lining American's up on odd-even days for gasoline, while loan rates went through the roof. Too involved in all the White House West wing daily minutia to get anything done, failed to stop the Iran embassy takeover; Did assist in negotiating the Camp David Accords which led to a peace treaty, still in effect between Israel and Egypt, a major accomplishment. Recent reports from Secret Service men who served on his detail say he had a more obnoxious and vulgar tongue than Hillary Clinton. World traveler, everybody thinks he is a saint today - however no President has asked for, or wants his counsel of involvement in foreign affairs. History not treating him kindly either.

    Ronald Reagan - joyful. knew his own mind. Hated the USSR, calling it an Evil Empire. His tax cuts brought America back on line financially from the Carter malaise. Hugely respected throughout the world, his economic plans and expenditures broke the bank on Russia and brought about the fall of the Soviet Union. Most famous quote, "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall" in Berlin.

    George Bush, Sr. - Deep State operative, and that is enough said. Most prepared for the office of anybody - how he managed to lose after a successful land war in the Middle East, it is hard to believe. That "thousand points of light" disappeared quite fast.

    Blll Clinton - successful; young; bright; nobody knew of his pervert activities. Worst idea was his signing the NAFTA trade treaty. A conventional politician in the Huey Long class, his two terms were quite successful, and he showed his skill when Newt Gingrich, with his Contract for America put Clinton's agenda at the mercy of a GOP Congress. Downfall? Sex. Last President to leave office with a balanced budget.

    George Bush. Wandered completely off of the reservation, however, in fairness - he was hit with the 9/11 terrorist attack only nine months into office and had to act. Unfortunately, he went after the wrong enemy in Iraq, instead of Afghanistan. Credit his "surge" toward stabilizing Iraq, but he ends up with about a 23% approval rating, quite low. History won't judge him well, but in time, will probably look at him better than the present. Credit Michael Dukakis driving around the farm in an Army tank to getting him reelected.

    Barrack Obama - hope and change - America took a chance on a rookie, but we do that almost every election. Turned the normal middle course of our politics to the far far left, but his personality and youth put the usual media experts to sleep and they didn't vette him. We are paying that price today. Historically, he will stand in good light as the first Black to win the office. Accomplishment? None I can seem to remember now.

    Donald Trump - MAGA; the average Harry Truman American voters answer to the snakes in Washington's Deep State, sending a very, very large spitting cobra to set up shop in the Oval Office. At this point? Keeping his promises despite Trump Derangement Syndrome of the left. Hope it continues.

    Those are my comments - share any you might have.

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    Great piece @Stan Fan !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    Reagan , illegally dealt with a foreign power before office, violating the Logan Act. Iran/Contra Affair, flooded the inner cities with crack cocaine. Will be remembered for his personality not his crimes.
    Reagan - What did the President know, and when did he forget it?

    Richard Nixon? Hubert Humphrey had solid evidence that Nixon was involved with negotiations with the Hanoi government telling them to wait until after the election to settle the Vietnam War. Probably the most classic example of integrity in politics, Humphrey decided not to use that information three weeks before the election, and lost in 1968 by a whisker.

    Bill Clinton and George Bush - both always knew the location of Osama bin Laden and failed to move against him and those terrorists, even after 9/11. Obama did.

    Obama? Is even on a "hot mic" telling the Iranian government representative that he will have better flexibility in dealing with them after he is re-elected. Of course, his answer is to capitulate to them and send millions and millions of dollars on the sly, overnight in a flight to Tehran, rejuvenating their economy which was on the verge of collapse. They used the money for nuclear research and terrorist financing, still do. They eventually will have a confrontation with Donald Trump, it won't be pretty. Trump is not afraid to use the force necessary to obliterate them.

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