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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I have serious problems with the core doctrines of Calvinism (including the doctrine of some specific "elect" people)...
    i dont see where John Calvin had a sinister motive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    i dont see where John Calvin had a sinister motive.
    These are the words you are replying to:

    "I have serious problems with the core doctrines of Calvinism (including the doctrine of some specific 'elect' people)..."

    Nothing about a "sinister motive" there.

    I will say, however, that I do not have an especially elevated view of John Calvin's character. (For instance, he did nothing to interfere with the burning at the stake of Michael Servetus, for "heresy.")

    His contemporary during the Reformation, Martin Luther, should receive much higher marks, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    These are the words you are replying to:

    "I have serious problems with the core doctrines of Calvinism (including the doctrine of some specific 'elect' people)..."

    Nothing about a "sinister motive" there.

    I will say, however, that I do not have an especially elevated view of John Calvin's character. (For instance, he did nothing to interfere with the burning at the stake of Michael Servetus, for "heresy.")

    His contemporary during the Reformation, Martin Luther, should receive much higher marks, in my opinion.
    alot of times people operate under a banner more effectively for some reason. you are right. making martyrs cant help your cause unless you are wishing them to do so.
    in Luthers and Calvins case, im so happy a priest never raped me in my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirqoadai View Post
    final written word of Gods Authority. whos translation you going by? was it originally written in greek? phonesan? was the author writing it for his index or for others to use? was any of the text abbriviated? and for what reason if it was?

    The OT was written in Hebrew, the NT was written in Koin Greek; By God's self appointed Prophets of old...

    "God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time." ~ Acts 3:21

    We really don't need the machinations of corrupted man to critique God's work. <wink>
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    The Resurrection proves He is who He said He was.
    Don't base your beliefs on movies.

    And He did give His life willingly. He could have left the area instead of going into Jerusalem and letting the Sanhedrin turn him over to the Romans to be killed.




    Quote Originally Posted by Fall River View Post
    I saw the movie, "The Passion of the Christ", many years ago (2004). I'm not very religious but I went with a lady-friend who is very religious because she didn't want to go alone. I don't remember all that much about the movie anymore but I remember that we were both sorry that we went because we thought the brutality that Christ suffered was over-the-top.

    Anyway, here's the question I have: I vaguely remember that Christ asked the following question while on the cross: "Father, why have you forsaken me?"

    To me, it indicates that he didn't foresee the events of that day and didn't give his life willingly. If that was the case, what was the point of him being left in the dark about such an important event?

    It makes it seem as though it was a cruel trick played on him by his heavenly father.

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