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    What Trump ‘Un-Signing’ the UN Arms Trade Treaty Means for Gun Owners

    What Trump ‘Un-Signing’ the UN Arms Trade Treaty Means for Gun Owners

    BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |
    MAY 05, 2019 EMAIL

    President Donald Trump holds up a letter to the Senate about the UN Arms Trade Treaty as he speaks to the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association, Friday, April 26, 2019, in Indianapolis. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

    By NRA-ILA

    Last Friday, President Trump took the historic step of ordering the “un-signing” of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty during his address to the NRA-ILA’s Leadership Forum. President Trump’s action effectively withdraws the United States from the most comprehensive effort towards international gun control.

    Much of the intervening coverage on the ATT has focused on how the treaty did or did not constrain U.S. arms sales abroad, but many average law-abiding gun owners may be questioning how the treaty could or couldn’t have affected them.

    NRA’s complaints regarding the treaty have always been based on its potential effect on law-abiding American gun owners. Those complaints have focused on the treaty’s requirements for end use verification, its sometimes-unintelligible vagueness, its ability to be amended without the consensus of all parties, and its proponents repeated refusals to clarify that it has no effect on the possession of small arms by civilians in the United States.

    The treaty urges record keeping of end users, directing importing countries to provide information to an exporting country regarding arms transfers, including “end use or end-user documentation” for a “minimum of ten years.” Each country is to “take measures, pursuant to its national laws, to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction for conventional arms.”

    Data kept on the end users of imported firearms is a de-facto registry of law-abiding firearms owners, which is a violation of federal law. Even worse, the ATT could be construed to require such a registry to be made available to foreign governments.

    The vagueness of the treaty and its ease of being “amended” is best exemplified by actions that took place at a conference on the treaty last year. At that conference, proponents of the treaty “welcome[ed]” several living documents into the ATT. While seemingly innocuous on its face, this change incorporated the International Small Arms Control Standards (ISACS) into the ATT.

    Falsely described as established “international standards” or “international norms” that “provide clear, practical and comprehensive guidance to practitioners and policymakers on fundamental aspects of small arms and light weapons control”, the ISACS are in reality a series of six standards developed by the UN for states to use in implementing their global disarmament agenda. Series 3 – Legislative and Regulatory – and its Module 3.30, “National Regulation of Civilian Access to Small Arms and Light Weapons,” is the most alarming of all the ISACS.

    Purporting to set the standards for “National Regulation of Civilian Access to Small Arms and Light Weapons,” Module 3.30 creates a means to almost entirely limit civilian access to small arms under the guise of International Humanitarian Law, International Human Rights Law, and Gender Based Violence.

    Highlights include, but are not limited to; a ban on civilian possession of “military” style arms – no automatic weapons or magazines with over a 10 round capacity, ballistic recordings, different risk classifications on types of firearms (i.e. calibers over .45 are an intolerable risk to public safety and semi-auto handguns and rifles are high risk), licensing and registration of all firearms, training and storage restrictions, waiting periods, 20-year record retention requirements of sellers, age limits and requiring a demonstrated need to possess a firearm, with self-defense not being one of them.

    While incorporation by reference of the ISACS into the ATT was alarming, it was also not entirely unpredictable. As with every anti-firearm UN initiative, concern must never lie entirely with what is in it now, but with what it will become and how it will be used by a future U.S. administration, especially one seeking international justification for a gun control agenda.

    Perhaps the easiest way to understand the future danger the ATT posed to U.S. gun owners is the complete refusal by proponents of the treaty to limit its application to civilian arms. NRA and other opponents of the treaty repeatedly asked for a carve-out in the treaty, yet those requests were flatly denied. If the treaty’s proponents had no intention of limiting American gun ownership, why resist such a limitation to the text of the treaty?

    Instead, the treaty included language in its preamble that treaty parties be “mindful of the legitimate trade and lawful ownership, and use of certain conventional arms for recreational, cultural, historical, and sporting activities, where such trade, ownership and use are permitted or protected by law.”

    A careful read will show that the use of arms for individual and collective defense is notably missing from this statement, and the statement creates no limitation and is really only an aspirational provision.

    Please join us in thanking President Trump for protecting our firearms freedoms by removing any obligation of the United States to be bound by the “object and purpose” of the Arms Trade Treaty.

    This post originally appeared at nra-ila.com
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    No foreign government, people or politics should ever have any say in our 2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillofbeans View Post
    No foreign government, people or politics should ever have any say in our 2a.



    we are a sovereign nation. not a puppet of the UN.

    let them eat cake.
    "The nose, knows"

    @Auntifa,,,when the shooting starts, don't run, you'll only die tired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post



    we are a sovereign nation. not a puppet of the UN.

    let them eat cake.
    Let them bow to allah and the invaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    Let them bow to allah and the invaders.
    the US has ALWAYS been the strong arm of the UN, the enforcer, the go-to nation they rely on.

    now they threaten the hand that protects them...

    paper tigers are easily burned.
    "The nose, knows"

    @Auntifa,,,when the shooting starts, don't run, you'll only die tired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillofbeans View Post
    No foreign government, people or politics should ever have any say in our 2a.
    Nor any of the other 26, as well as the entire document.

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    Look how far back this goes...Jan, 2013

    UN Treaty: Small-arms control

    Hilary is about to start negotiating on a global ban on the export of small arms. It would only apply to private citizens - so far - but most small-arms deals come from governments, specifically the US, Israel, China, and Russia. The treaty would enforce the requirement that each nation implement measures to STOP the exportation of small arms. It can easily be used to force a national registration of all guns AND ammo.Liberals and lefties of all types may applaud this, but it's giving up PERMANENTLY large portions of our sovereignty, money, and property rights. It will function as an amendment to our Constitution.


    Five Harmful UN Treaties
    http://thepoliticsforums.com/threads/1363-Five-Harmful-UN-Treaties?


    More background ^^^
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    Its amazing the attempts being made at gun control by both foreign and domestic control freaks. Rest assured, the Democrats would love to sign a treaty such as this. It's a backdoor way to gun control.

    Remember this when bills calling for gun registration arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineBow View Post
    Its amazing the attempts being made at gun control by both foreign and domestic control freaks. Rest assured, the Democrats would love to sign a treaty such as this. It's a backdoor way to gun control.

    Remember this when bills calling for gun registration arise.
    Remember Obama did sign the treaty. It was Trump that said no, America won’t be a part of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    Remember Obama did sign the treaty. It was Trump that said no, America won’t be a part of this.
    Exactly. Give the Democrats control and we can expect to see this again.

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