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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightkore View Post
    I do find it interesting though.....when a man of God who preaches the Word Of Faith doctrine & you see it actually working in people's lives including the preacher/evangelist/disciple.....people attack him or her rather than trying to apply it and have it work in their own lives.

    Just say a conference with Gary Kesee on the Kenneth Copeland TV network BVOVN. Experiment. We are as children of God the kingdom of God. And we have all the legal rights as sons & daughters & co-heirs with King Jesus in that kingdom and can receive all His Word says we are supposed to receive. Healing, prosperity {not always money by the way}, provision, protection.....access that through Jesus and start living as a son or daughter of God.

    Staying sick & in poverty is NOT the will of God. Then again misusing what He gives isn't good either.

    God bless everyone here, may you seek first His kingdom & righteousness & find all He purchased for us so that He may be glorified.
    Far be it from me - a lapsed Lutheran - to try to identify who is true and who is not.

    But it seems to me there was considerable warning in the Bible of false prophets, of those who use the name of God to work against all the Bible represents.

    And we see them everywhere...Jesse Jackson; Al Sharpton; a legion of Southern preachers who extolled the KKK. Preachers who became rich - enjoying the pleasures of the world - while inveigling listeners to give more. Rex Humbard, Ernest Angley and others, are only the tip of the iceberg.

    How did Jesus of Nazareth live? Did he tell Matthew to work harder, and give the profits to him, Jesus? He did not. He had other ideas, and lived on informal charity.

    Just saying. I've read bits about some TBS sexual escapades behind the scene, also. Seems once the desire for money is somewhat sated, the evil and idle false-preacher inevitably turns to sex. Like Elmer Gantry did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly Pitcher View Post
    It doesn't take much to see there are way better ways to use money provided to someone by USING the Bible and Him to appropriate wealth. Millions and millions of dollars, why doesn't he build a Christian school in the area for people who'd like to send their kids to a private school but can't afford it or come from a one-parent family? Why not support more missionary work? He and his wife could still live quite comfortably and even luxioursly without it being in a 10.5 billion dollar mansion, and most likely a full staff... Also interesting that they have never done anything to clear up things with the Better Business Bureau about complaints.


    All excellent points. Pray for him & his wife then. Kenneth Copeland & his wife do well.

    Pray that Joel & his wife align to God's will better. I refuse to take the world's reports as gospel against a man or woman of God though. The world lies & WANTS to tear every Christian down.

    BBB complaints are just that.....complaints. By the world?

    Jesus got a LOT of complaints.

    Him & his disciples would NEVER have passed muster with a lot of Christian perfectionists.

    The core issue of this thread was a denial of the virgin birth and therefore a denial of who Jesus.

    Taking apart our brothers & sisters in Christ instead of praying for them just hurts our witness to the world.

    God bless you. May God keep us focused & our eyes on Jesus in ALL situations and learn to give each other the same grace He gave the woman caught in adultery & that He gave us all being flogged & crucified voluntary giving His life for ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    Far be it from me - a lapsed Lutheran - to try to identify who is true and who is not.

    But it seems to me there was considerable warning in the Bible of false prophets, of those who use the name of God to work against all the Bible represents.

    And we see them everywhere...Jesse Jackson; Al Sharpton; a legion of Southern preachers who extolled the KKK. Preachers who became rich - enjoying the pleasures of the world - while inveigling listeners to give more. Rex Humbard, Ernest Angley and others, are only the tip of the iceberg.

    How did Jesus of Nazareth live? Did he tell Matthew to work harder, and give the profits to him, Jesus? He did not. He had other ideas, and lived on informal charity.

    Just saying. I've read bits about some TBS sexual escapades behind the scene, also. Seems once the desire for money is somewhat sated, the evil and idle false-preacher inevitably turns to sex. Like Elmer Gantry did.
    That is interesting though. Joel Osteen doesn't ask for offerings like say Robert Tilton. Watch his program. As far as Jesse & Al.....they are far more in a different category. As is some others that peddle a "this for that" type theology.

    Well how DID Jesus live? Joseph Of Arimethea gave up his family tomb for Jesus. This indicates Joseph was rich but what did he DO with those riches?

    Judas was the one concerned about:

    John 12:5-7 Expanded Bible (EXB)

    5 “This ·perfume [ointment/fragrant oil] was worth an ·entire year’s wages [L three hundred denarii]. Why wasn’t it sold and the money given to the poor?” 6 But Judas did not really care about the poor; he said this because he was a thief. He was the one who kept the money ·box [or bag], and he often stole from it.
    7 [L Therefore] Jesus answered, “Leave her alone. It was right for her to save this perfume for today, the day for me to be prepared for burial.

    {Depends on what you do with the riches & extravagance.}
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    Does the Nature of the Virgin Conception Invalidate the Story of Jesus? | Cold Case Christianity

    For some, the miraculous claim of the virgin conception of Jesus disqualifies the Gospel accounts as reliable history. The famous writer, atheist and debater, Christopher Hitchens regularly referred to the virgin conception as a clear example of the unreasonable nature of the Gospels. Hitchens would occasionally attempt to demonstrate the illogical, unreasonable nature of his debate opponent by asking the simple question: “Do you believe Jesus was conceived miraculously and born of a virgin?” when his Christian opponent replied, “Yes,” Hitchens would typically say, “I rest my case.” For many atheists, the virgin conception is so obviously irrational it disqualifies the story of Jesus before it even begins.Skeptics and critics of Christianity reject the mere possibility of the virgin conception because their philosophical naturalism (their belief that the natural world is all that exists) precludes the possibility of the miraculous intervention of a supernatural Being. As it turns out, this presupposition of naturalism lies at the heart of the dilemma:
    Naturalism Is the Worldview Under Examination
    When we begin to examine the possible existence of God (the aforementioned supernatural Being), we are actually examining the viability of philosophical naturalism. We are, in essence, asking the questions, “Is the natural world all that exists?” “Is there anything beyond the physical, material world we measure with our five senses?” “Is there any way to actually know immaterial, spiritual entities (or truths) exist?” In asking these questions, we are putting naturalism to the test.
    Naturalism Shouldn’t, Therefore, Be Our Presupposition
    It would be unfair, therefore, to begin by presupposing nothing supernatural could ever exist or occur. If we are attempting to be fair about assessing the existence of God (or assessing the reasonable nature of the virgin conception), we cannot exclude the very possibility of the supernatural in the first place. Our presupposition against the supernatural would unfairly taint our examination of the claim. Instead, we ought to remain open to the the miraculous to fairly examine any claim of supernatural activity.
    Naturalism Accepts At Least One “Extra-Natural” Event
    Most of us already accept the reasonable reality of at least one “extra-natural” (aka “miraculous”) event. The Standard Cosmological Model of naturalism is still the “Big Bang Theory”, a hypothesis that proposes that all space, time and matter (all the elements of the natural universe) had a beginning (a “cosmological singularity”). Whatever the cause was, it could not have been something from the natural realm, as this realm was what resulted from the “singularity”.
    Naturalism May Not, Therefore, Be An Accurate View of the World
    It appears that the beginning of the Universe can be attributed to an all-powerful “extra-natural” source. If this source was the supernatural God of the Bible, it would appear that He has the ability to intervene in the natural realm with creative force. The virgin conception, in light of this kind of power, is a reasonable prospect.



    The virgin conception defies naturalistic explanation, but that shouldn’t surprise us. Christianity has always argued that the supernatural (the miraculous) is reasonable; Christianity has always challenged naturalism. We cannot reject the virgin conception on naturalistic grounds without first examining the larger claims of the Christian Worldview. If there is sufficient reason to believe God exists (and created everything from nothing), then the virgin conception is certainly within His power and equally reasonable.
    For more information about the reliability of the New Testament gospels and the case for Christianity, please read Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels. This book teaches readers ten principles of cold-case investigations and applies these strategies to investigate the claims of the gospel authors. The book is accompanied by an eight-session Cold-Case Christianity DVD Set (and Participant’s Guide) to help individuals or small groups examine the evidence and make the case.
    J. Warner Wallace is a Dateline featured Cold-Case Detective, Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, Adj. Professor of Christian Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University, author of Cold-Case Christianity, God’s Crime Scene, and Forensic Faith, and creator of the Case Makers Academy for kids.
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