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    Are collectivist ignorant or evil?

    If you examine every collectivist society that ever existed you will find several similarities. First, they never survive long term. Secondly, they never deliver what they promise, prosperity and equality for all citizens and finally, they all degenerate into dictatorships and attempts to control every aspect of the lives of the citizens of that society. They all come into being because of a cadre of elitist who allegedly believe they know what is best for the people who cannot decide for themselves what is in their best interest.

    Given my point in the above paragraph that none deliver and furthermore all resort to ever increasing restrictions on the actions of the people can we look at those who would press for collectivist (or if you’d rather, progressive, socialist, liberal or statist) ideology as either ignorant or evil.? Or both?

    There are those who are simply ignorant and can’t or won’t face the fact that collectivism simply defies human nature because people do not inherently wish to be enslaved, be it to a single family or to an entire society. Socialism requires that we all become the Borg, at least in theory, what it actually does is enslave most while enriching a small group with enough power to keep the rest of us under their thumb. So, are these people simply ignorant of what it all means?

    Or are they evil and think “no socialism doesn’t and can’t work but I can make it work for me?” They know the vast majority of the population will not see any improvement in their lives and will in fact have less freedom and a quality of life than before. But, they will prosper and become ever more blood thirsty and dictatorial to maintain their power.

    So, which is it for our leftist posters, ignorant or evil?
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    Are collectivist ignorant or evil?

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    The two, ignorant and evil, aren't mutually exclusive. Ignorant means uneducated, unlearned. Stupid means incapable of learning. I would say liberals are ignorant and stupid. Although they do some terrible things, I suspect the number of evil liberals and the number of evil conservatives are similar.

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    Collectivist evil has strong roots in Israel:

    The main characteristics of Kibbutz life were established in adherence to collectivism
    in property

    Source: What Exactly is a Kibbutz | The Jewish Agency
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Collectivist evil has strong roots in Israel:

    The main characteristics of Kibbutz life were established in adherence to collectivism
    in property

    Source: What Exactly is a Kibbutz | The Jewish Agency
    What bullshit. Collectivism has been around a lot longer than Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Felix Birdbiter View Post
    What bullshit. Collectivism has been around a lot longer than Israel.
    The collectivist Kibbutz goes back to 1909, even before the
    Communist revolution in Russia:

    Fleeing discrimination in Russia, a group of young Jews
    bought land on the edge of Ottoman territory and founded their first commune in
    1909: Kibbutz Degania in Lower Galilee. While ethnically Jewish, the
    kibbutznikim designed their new homestead to be explicitly secular and
    socialist. The land was beautiful, but barren and rocky, and the women and men
    labored hard to grow their food and build their homes. The settlers dispensed
    with the bourgeois family model. Regular tasks like cooking and laundry
    happened on a kibbutz-wide scale, and children lived not with their parents but
    with each other, overseen by appointed group minders.

    Source: No Fences Make the Best Neighbors: Collective Home Ownership, Kibbutz to Cohousing - Los Angeles Review of Books!
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