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    And if there is an experiment that could be performed, it has its origin in the actions of an intelligent being, the experimenter. This flies in the face of evolutionist's rejection of intelligent design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    What experiment can you perform to demonstrate evolution?
    Well, the simplest and most direct is to use a mutagen. That's a chemical that specifically affects the DNA and increases the rate of mutations in the genome. For example in plants you can use colchicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Well, the simplest and most direct is to use a mutagen. That's a chemical that specifically affects the DNA and increases the rate of mutations in the genome. For example in plants you can use colchicine.
    Are you telling us that God used a mutagen when he created life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    And if there is an experiment that could be performed, it has its origin in the actions of an intelligent being, the experimenter. This flies in the face of evolutionist's rejection of intelligent design.
    Well, the intelligence just speeds up the process, that's all. Same as a mutagen, it just speeds up the process. Remember the Miller Urey experiment? Well, you can speed that up with a little sulfur. Miller and Urey noticed amino acids after 24 hours, but with a little added sulfur you can get polypeptides and self-replicating nucleotides. Sulfur would be commonly found in any area around a volcano, and especially there would be concentrations of it in the surrounding ocean where the water is. Which is now hot too, because of the volcano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Well, the intelligence just speeds up the process, that's all. Same as a mutagen, it just speeds up the process. Remember the Miller Urey experiment? Well, you can speed that up with a little sulfur. Miller and Urey noticed amino acids after 24 hours, but with a little added sulfur you can get polypeptides and self-replicating nucleotides. Sulfur would be commonly found in any area around a volcano, and especially there would be concentrations of it in the surrounding ocean where the water is. Which is now hot too, because of the volcano.
    What does the Miller Urey experiment have to do with macroevolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    What does the Miller Urey experiment have to do with macroevolution?
    It's how you get DNA from "nothing". That process is happening all around us, continually. Continuously, 24/7.

    Here is the hot tip - when trying to understand "macro" Evolution, start simple.

    Some of the simplest life forms are bacteria, and they are very well-studied. That might be a good place to start. And, there are simpler life forms, such as viruses, which also evolve.

    You can demonstrate for yourself the evolution of bacteria, it's very easy. 100 generations of antibiotics and you will have a brand new bacterium.

    I have personally genetically engineered a mouse. It started as a reeler (google "reeler mouse"). By now there are over 10,000 varieties of genetically engineered Mouse. And the interesting thing is, if you hang out in the laboratory long enough, you can see them evolve too.

    And if bacteria are too small and uninteresting to study, plants are fascinating. And they're very easy to work with in the laboratory.

    In the earlier post, I told you about the shape of a leaf. "Shape" is macro-evolution. And, I show you how it results directly from the arrangement and concentration of ribosomes in the cell cytoplasm, which in turn is instructed directly by the DNA. DNA is "micro" evolution. So you see, they are one and the same. The molecular change directly causes the change in shape.

    "Shape" is a very abstract mathematical concept. We could be talking about the shape of a function just as easily as we could be talking about the shape of a membrane, or an organ, or an organelle inside a cell. "Shape" just means structure, so like, if we're talking about one type of ape that has more hair than another, that's shape too. "Geometry" in the abstract.

    So now, in the news recently they just sequenced the Genome of the great white shark. It has 41 sets of chromosomes, considerably more than we do. It's more primitive than we are, but it has a lot more DNA. And one of the interesting things is, a lot of the extra genes are involved in wound healing, DNA repair, and the immune system.

    Sharks are very interesting creatures, some of them can sense electric fields in the water. They have "lateral line organs" that generate a field, not as strong as an electric eel but considerably more uniform.

    Anyway... "macro" just means something you can see, unless you have another definition for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    Are you telling us that God used a mutagen when he created life?
    "Life"? No one knows what that is yet. It sure isn't DNA, that much is certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    It's how you get DNA from "nothing". That process is happening all around us, continually. Continuously, 24/7.

    Here is the hot tip - when trying to understand "macro" Evolution, start simple.

    Some of the simplest life forms are bacteria, and they are very well-studied. That might be a good place to start. And, there are simpler life forms, such as viruses, which also evolve.

    You can demonstrate for yourself the evolution of bacteria, it's very easy. 100 generations of antibiotics and you will have a brand new bacterium.

    I have personally genetically engineered a mouse. It started as a reeler (google "reeler mouse"). By now there are over 10,000 varieties of genetically engineered Mouse. And the interesting thing is, if you hang out in the laboratory long enough, you can see them evolve too.

    And if bacteria are too small and uninteresting to study, plants are fascinating. And they're very easy to work with in the laboratory.

    In the earlier post, I told you about the shape of a leaf. "Shape" is macro-evolution. And, I show you how it results directly from the arrangement and concentration of ribosomes in the cell cytoplasm, which in turn is instructed directly by the DNA. DNA is "micro" evolution. So you see, they are one and the same. The molecular change directly causes the change in shape.

    "Shape" is a very abstract mathematical concept. We could be talking about the shape of a function just as easily as we could be talking about the shape of a membrane, or an organ, or an organelle inside a cell. "Shape" just means structure, so like, if we're talking about one type of ape that has more hair than another, that's shape too. "Geometry" in the abstract.

    So now, in the news recently they just sequenced the Genome of the great white shark. It has 41 sets of chromosomes, considerably more than we do. It's more primitive than we are, but it has a lot more DNA. And one of the interesting things is, a lot of the extra genes are involved in wound healing, DNA repair, and the immune system.

    Sharks are very interesting creatures, some of them can sense electric fields in the water. They have "lateral line organs" that generate a field, not as strong as an electric eel but considerably more uniform.

    Anyway... "macro" just means something you can see, unless you have another definition for it?
    At the end of the day, the E coli bacteria in the Lenski experiment are still E coli bacteria. Mice are always mice, and plants are always the same kind of plant. You are describing speciation, which no one doubts takes place. That has nothing to do with macroevolution.

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