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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    ANY 'version' is a belief. There is no 'science!' that compels a conclusion of atheistic naturalism.

    There are 2 possibilities, and both are based on personal belief, from various influences.

    Intelligent Design
    Atheistic Naturalism

    Matter, life, sentience, and humanity came about through one of these premised beliefs. It is just religious bigotry to mock one as 'superstition!', and call the other, 'settled science!'

    All that is needed to refute this obvious point is proven, repeatable facts that confirm one or the other as 'fact'. Lacking evidence, they can only be beliefs, no matter how earnestly they are held.
    The problem with "Intelligent Design" is thst intelligent people can see the lie at the center of it.

    Who created that God girl, anyway?
    Freedom Takes "I Won't". - Eric Frank Russell

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    1 out of 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2

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    Since its looking like the universe exists as a 4D world surface on a 26 dimensional brane, i look forward to the religious nuts showing me how thier imaginary friend exists also as a 26 dimensional being on the same brane....

    I bet being 26 dimensional makes it really complicated to get dressed in the morning, which arm goes in which armhole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyBoomer+ View Post
    Since its looking like the universe exists as a 4D world surface on a 26 dimensional brane, i look forward to the religious nuts showing me how thier imaginary friend exists also as a 26 dimensional being on the same brane....

    I bet being 26 dimensional makes it really complicated to get dressed in the morning, which arm goes in which armhole?
    I find it most ironic, and a little entertaining, that some people will entertain the speculative, sci fi imaginations of 'aliens!', 'multiverse dimensions!', 26 'dimensional brane!' ( ), but sneer and scoff at the concept of a Creator...

    How is that, 'religious nuts showing me how thier imaginary friend exists', (sic), is laughable 'superstition!', but wild, speculative, sci fi imaginations are 'science!'?

    ..strange place, this Progresso World.. religious bigotry is the central tenet of brainwashed progressives..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    "Blaspheme the Darwin"? Wow, you're really out of orbit. EVERYONE here has blasphemed the Darwin. Why are you complaining as if anyone cares about this?
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    You're so full of it I don't even know where to start with you.

    You are completely devoid of logic.

    Your logic sucks.

    All you have is prejudice. That is the sum total of your posts.

    You are worse than a medieval Inquisitor, you are denying the evidence that is directly before your eyes. You are in no position to complain about belief. As a matter of fact, you seem to be closer to a liberal than you'd like to admit. You seem to have difficulty discerning.

    You also engage in the liberal behavior of pulling scurrilous accusations out of your butt and flinging them at the wall to see what sticks. No one's buying your bullshit, in case you haven't noticed.
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    The problem with "Intelligent Design" is thst intelligent people can see the lie at the center of it.

    Who created that God girl, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    Let's think logically. I know that is hard for evolutionists, but they can try.

    We are told that humans evolved from species that are always depicted as "ape-like". Then the evolutionists try to double-talk us by saying that we did not evolve from apes, while at the same time claiming that people who don't subscribe to their dogma believe that people rode saddleback on dinosaurs.

    Can we cut through the bullshit, just once?

    If evolution is true, then people evolved from apes. However, apes still exist. Why hasn't natural selection evolved them out of existence?
    I did not evolve from an ape or monkey.



    Humans and monkeys are both primates. But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor. All apes and monkeys share a more distant relative, which lived about 25 million years ago.


    Human evolution, like evolution in other species, did not proceed in a straight line. Instead, a diversity of species diverged from common ancestors, like branches on a bush. Our species, Homo sapiens, is the only survivor. But there were many times in the past when several early human species lived at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Sure, it's testable. You can start from scratch. Got 500 million years?
    That is convenient. So, you can't actually 'see', or 'test' abiogenesis, because it takes too long. And nobody has ever observed it, they just believe in it as the explanation for origins.

    Sounds like a religious belief, to me. thanks for proving my point.

    It's a whole lot easier if you have catalysts.
    They take a while to develop naturally.
    But you can get amino acids and lipid micelles within 24 hours.
    And there are lots of chemicals that would cause amino acids to combine more rapidly. Sulfur is one of them, which is found commonly in and around volcanos.
    Catalysts! Chemicals! Amino acids! Millions of years!



    ..nothing to this abiogenesis, is there?

    Of course, you can't actually test it, observe it, or repeat it, via any known scientific methods, but that does not stop you from believing it, with no evidence..
    Sounds like your faith in this mysterious, almost magical process is very strong.

    Yet you mock those who believe in a Creator?

    Everybody gotta believe something..

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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    That is convenient. So, you can't actually 'see', or 'test' abiogenesis, because it takes too long. And nobody has ever observed it, they just believe in it as the explanation for origins.

    Sounds like a religious belief, to me. thanks for proving my point.



    Catalysts! Chemicals! Amino acids! Millions of years!



    ..nothing to this abiogenesis, is there?

    Of course, you can't actually test it, observe it, or repeat it, via any known scientific methods, but that does not stop you from believing it, with no evidence..
    Sounds like your faith in this mysterious, almost magical process is very strong.

    Yet you mock those who believe in a Creator?

    Everybody gotta believe something..
    Hes wrong. Its been done. We created amino acid precursors in experiments decades ago

    The Miller Urey Experiment - Windows to the Universe

    Since it was conducted, weve found precisely the same conditions for amino acid precursor creation in the star nurseries of several nebulae, including the Greater Magellenic Clouds. The power source for this is the intense ultraviolet radiation from all the new born stars, so intense it would literally fry you in minutes if you were there.

    The existence of amino acids in thes clouds has been confirmed by spectroscopy. The same chemicals have been found in exosolar metorites (Meteorites from outside the solar system)

    The Murchison Meteorite 1969


    Murchison meteorite - Wikipedia


    10 years ago they found Glycin in a comet

    Found: first amino acid on a comet | New Scientist


    and in 2002: "An amino acid, one of the building blocks of life, has been spotted in deep space. If the find stands up to scrutiny, it means that the sorts of chemistry needed to create life are not unique to Earth verifying one of astrobiology’s cherished theories." (so, no hand of god here. Its all over the universe)

    "This would add weight to ideas that life exists on other planets, and even that molecules from outer space kick-started life on Earth.
    Over 130 molecules have been identified in interstellar space so far, including sugars and ethanol. But amino acids are a particularly important find because they link up to form proteins, the molecules that run, and to a large extent make up our cells. "

    Amino acid found in deep space | New Scientist

    Its now clear the building blocks of life are fairly common throught the universe, and shower down on every star and planet all the time. If the conditions are conducive to prolonged existence, life will proliferate. I suspect life is common on Goldilock zone planets, but probably no more intelligent then bacteria and viruses.


    BTW, why do you ignore my posts every time I shoot yours down in flames?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Ryan View Post
    Let's think logically. I know that is hard for evolutionists, but they can try.

    We are told that humans evolved from species that are always depicted as "ape-like". Then the evolutionists try to double-talk us by saying that we did not evolve from apes, while at the same time claiming that people who don't subscribe to their dogma believe that people rode saddleback on dinosaurs.

    Can we cut through the bullshit, just once?

    If evolution is true, then people evolved from apes. However, apes still exist. Why hasn't natural selection evolved them out of existence?
    Answer: There are MANY, MANY, MANY different species of Apes. Even more, in the wider group of PRIMATES.

    Evolution does not say that we "evolved" specifically from "monkey's," or, even Chimps, our closest cousins, but, that we evolved from another "BRANCH" of Primate.

    So, we have monkeys and humans, for the exact same reason we can have Gorillas and monkeys: Different, albeit, related, species, evolved from differing "branches" of evolution.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dummy View Post
    My argument since I was a young child. Where are the half evolved monkeys? Africa, Atlanta, Detroit, LA...
    While they are not "half-evolved" monkeys, Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans are pretty well evolved.

    The reason that one of the higher evolved "primate/proto humans," such as the Neanderthal are no longer here, is probably because the human species either killed them, or, interbred with them (As we know happened with the Neanderthal....)
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