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    Democrats won the popular vote and so should have taken the Senate.

    Democrats led Republicans by more than 12 million votes in Senate races, and yet still suffered losses on the night and failed to win a majority of seats in the chamber.


    “The rise of minority rule in America is now unmistakable,” said Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard University.


    “Especially with a sitting president who won a majority in the electoral college [in 2016] while receiving roughly 3m fewer votes than his opponent, and a supreme court five of whose nine justices were nominated by Republican presidents who collectively received fewer popular votes than their Democratic opponents and were confirmed by Senates similarly skewed.”


    According to the latest data, Democrats won the House popular vote by about seven percentage points in Tuesday night’s midterms.


    The real concerns for Democrats, they said, could be found in a combination of gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics that might have prevented them from winning an even larger majority in the House and some key statewide elections.


    “That’s a radically undemocratic principle, and it gives rise to what we see,” said David Golove, a professor at the New York University School of Law, “which is that the minority populations are going to have a disproportionate impact in the United States. That tends to mean conservatives have a disproportionate influence over the Senate.”


    “We are going to make sure that every vote is counted, every single vote,” she said. “In a civilized nation, the machinery of democracy should work for everyone, everywhere.”


    ............... and then there is reality.



    “The Senate is inherently anti-majoritarian,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of Berkeley Law at the University of California. “So it is not about the total vote, but votes in each state.”


    Constitutional experts said the discrepancy between votes cast and seats won was the result of misplaced ire that ignored the Senate electoral process.


    Because each state gets two senators, irrespective of population, states such as Wyoming have as many seats as California, despite the latter having more than 60 times the population. The smaller states also tend to be the more rural, and rural areas traditionally favor Republicans.


    Any notion of change would require a constitutional amendment, he added, which is unlikely to occur in the foreseeable future.



    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/democrats-republicans-senate-majority-minority-rule
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    Yes, the US Constitution has provisions designed to make it harder for a few populous states to oppress and exploit the many less populous states. The writers of the USC foresaw tyrant-wannabes like Tribe and Golove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traddles View Post
    Yes, the US Constitution has provisions designed to make it harder for a few populous states to oppress and exploit the many less populous states. The writers of the USC foresaw tyrant-wannabes like Tribe and Golove.
    The problem with the left is they see the entire country as one state, therefor in every vote we should count the entire countries popular vote for every election. I guess we should have had as many country wide elections as there were seats up for grabs. The whole country votes on popular vote for each states seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    The problem with the left is they see the entire country as one state, therefor in every vote we should count the entire countries popular vote for every election. I guess we should have had as many country wide elections as there were seats up for grabs. The whole country votes on popular vote for each states seats.
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    It's way past the time to get this over with . If the left is smart ,they won't test us as we can put the constitution on the back burner and without hesitation .
    No Tolerance left .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Bread View Post
    It's way past the time to get this over with . If the left is smart ,they won't test us as we can put the constitution on the back burner and without hesitation .
    No Tolerance left .
    I've been there for months now.

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    How stupid can they get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    The problem with the left is they see the entire country as one state, therefor in every vote we should count the entire countries popular vote for every election. I guess we should have had as many country wide elections as there were seats up for grabs. The whole country votes on popular vote for each states seats.
    What many Libs & Progs hate, possibly without knowing/understanding it is that the Constitution designedly spreads power so as to hinder some individual or small group of individuals from gaining total power and using it to oppress and exploit. Most provisions of the Bill of Right limit what government can do in specific areas. Many Libs & Progs want a Soviet-style oligarchy, plus or minus a Stalinesque (Hitleresque, Leninesque, Maoesque, etc.) strongman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traddles View Post
    What many Libs & Progs hate, possibly without knowing/understanding it is that the Constitution designedly spreads power so as to hinder some individual or small group of individuals from gaining total power and using it to oppress and exploit. Most provisions of the Bill of Right limit what government can do in specific areas. Many Libs & Progs want a Soviet-style oligarchy, plus or minus a Stalinesque (Hitleresque, Leninesque, Maoesque, etc.) strongman.
    This is one of the reasons why socialism always ends up as a dictatorship. Even worse for leftists here in America our constitution protects the peoples rights rather than assigning them privileges as it does in other countries. That being said I do see the draw to it. At this point, I would be very much in favor of Trump becoming a dictator long enough to strip leftists of their rights, round them all up into FEMA camps and dispose of them. Then after the final solution is complete restore us to constitutional law.

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