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    We learned that Libertarians would rather shtup a mailbox than vote Republican (So many voted Democrat )

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    There are 20 million more registered democrats than there are republicans. The election was more or less a draw. I don't understand the question "What went wrong" but if I had to guess the answer I would guess MATH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sled Dog View Post
    I gotta ask, @Dan40.... why is your 236,000,000 not an integer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by usfan View Post
    Trump won in the senate, but lost in the house. This was a battle, not the war. The war for the soul of America goes on, and will not be decided by a single election.

    The Indoctrination from Progressivism runs too deep, in the American psyche. No nostalgic, brief return to founding principles will slow the juggernaut of progressive propaganda and Indoctrination.

    Unless there is a wholesale return to American values and principles, the steamroller of progressive anti americanism will continue, until the old folks, raised as Americans, are dead.

    I have read the blue text many times and with the extra comma's, it is a bit confusing to me.

    usfan wrote "Unless there is a wholesale return to American values and principles, <<(Not going to happen)the steamroller of progressive anti Americanism will continue, [until the old folks, raised as Americans, are dead] " .


    The way I am interpreting the red text in the brackets, usfan is stating that once all of we old Americans die off, THEN the progressive Anti-Americanism will stop in the USA. HUH ??????

    Someone help me out here. Is usfan blaming we old Americans for inciting or nurturing progressive anti-Americanism ? WTH ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    yep. you're STILL pissed.
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    There isn’t an eventual happy ending, not for America and not for Europe. If you’re going to have democracy it has to rely on a general consensus. People have to accept the decision of a majority and that’s not happening. All across the west the millennials are voting socialist as a block vote. That’s not going to decrease.

    Partly that’s the fault of the industrial revolution which brought capitalist competition. Yet it also brought social divides as individuals competed against one another. So that’s economic competition, class divisions and throw into that mix identity competition. During an industrial age there was social mobility, a place to go and climb the ladder, but now for an increasing minority population there’s nowhere left to go. It’s only recently that sociology has begun to ask what happens after an industrial revolution?

    What happens is that the extremes replace the center. The political European Union (formerly the Economic Union) and presidents like Obama and Trump couldn’t and didn’t exist 50 years ago, they’re suited to a post-industrial period. It is no coincidence that Ocasio-Cortez is the new American, millennial, socialist darling of the left. Young, photohgenic and dumb, she’s perfect for a future Democrat president.

    It will have been noted that Obama focused very much on children, that’s the preferred left method and many will say, 'Obama’s gone it’s over', but it’s not. If you were five years old in 2008, you had a solid grounding in hard left progressive indoctrination into your teens. Even sub-consciously, you will never forget that and those children are the future leaders and politicians of America.

    Conversely, Trump focused on individualism and greed, because that’s his background and it appealed to a certain American mind-set. Yet that’s Trumps biggest failing, that it’s not because people are dumb and he’s so clever that he got rich, but that they too can succeed in a post-industrial era, which he didn’t have to do. Trump, google, yahoo … All the big names are pre-2008 successes, not current start-ups with a current record number of bankruptcies. Just as Obama’s utopia dream fell apart, Trump is promising something that ended in the 70s, but managed to limp on until 2008 when it finally died. So what happens now?

    The choice is a benevolent liberal fascist dictatorship, or an emerging police state. Rounding up 'traitors' and killing dissenters has a long history of failure throughout the 20th century and is a sign of how extreme American politics has become. Aside from an epidemic, or a major war, the collective dissenters will eventually outbreed the individualists.

    Back to the mid-terms. You can put whatever spin on this you like, from 'it was to be expected' to 'we won'. But the fact is Trump is losing his popularity, because just like Obama he focused on one section of the society divide.

    Stop for a bit and let you digest that.
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    No such thing as a "benevolent fascist dictatorship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustPassinThru View Post
    No such thing as a "benevolent fascist dictatorship."
    See the European Union, or read Huxley’s 'Brave new world revisted' for what a benevolent liberal fascist dictatorship looks like.
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    What is MAGA? Or Obama’s ‘Change you can believe in’, or Bernies, ‘A future to believe in.’ It’s like the Nuremburg rallies, they’re abstracts shouted by demagogues, they mean nothing and the crowds cheer as they always have done. Practically, how do you make America great if half the population are against you? How do you create something that no longer exists? What does MAGA mean to an estimated 43% of households that can barely survive from month to month? Are they cheering the stock market bubble? In a country of approximately 320 million, only around 130 million are in full time employment (Statista). What does MAGA mean to the majority of those left behind, because they’re voters as well and they will vote for themselves, not abstracts.

    So, how can MAGA work in practical terms? Despite the thin veneer of civilisation we remain tribal. From country borders to fences around our houses, we’re territorial. The bigger tribe raids the smaller tribes and it’s how empires are built. Of course, in todays language we politely call it policing, or regime change, but they’re raids under any other name. To stop this, countries begin to form alliances and that’s happening now. The European Union and United Kingdom and Russian Federation are examples. NATO was stopped from expansionism in the Ukraine and the US in Syria. Conquest failed. Militarily, these countries and/or their alliances became too big to raid and so MAGA focus on economics. MAGA is not about making America great, it’s about making other countries economically weaker so that the dominant country appears strong.

    Historically, every weaker country pays a tithe, or tribute to the dominent power and currently this was using the dollar, from which America made a profit. Previously this was enforced by military might, as countries such as Libya, Iraq and Syria found to their cost. The alternative use of sanctions and tariffs are simply tools used to enforce control, but they’re not working. Countries are abandoning the dollar, the life blood of the American economy; China is offering a new reserve currency based on gold (it’s why they’ve been buying so much of it) and Russia is setting up an alternative SWIFT system. Add to that reverse tariffs that weren’t supposed to happen and it’s why MAGA won’t happen. The dollar relied on a consensus, whether forced or voluntary and just like the internal strife in America, that consensus has gone.

    Some will say America isn’t an Empire; not by name, but it has all the trappings and behaviour of one, as did Germany and the old USSR. Others still say the world should be grateful, or in a bizzare way of thinking that if it wasn’t America someone else would have dominated the world. The proof of those fallacies is that as soon as it was militarily safe to do so, many countries started to abandon the dollar. The reason for this is twofold. First, the world is no longer prepared to fund the American lifestyle from dollar profits and second; having one dominant reserve currency means that if that currency collapses (2008), it brings everyone else down with it. Additionally, no one else is stepping forward to police the world because they already know from experience what happens to those countries who have tried.

    What all that means for America, despite all the hype, is a decline. Every politician since 2008 has been warning that change is needed, they just haven’t mentioned why. The above is the why. So, what does a declining society look like? Extremism replaces the previous consensus, which produces a divide and results in increased social violence. Demagogues arrive with promises and become semi-Gods. Blame for woes is apportioned according to the opposite polarisation. The power of the State increases … The people behind Trump are not stupid and already know MAGA failed when the first country presented reverse tariffs and others started to abandon the dollar. Trump will limp on, full of promises and many will believe he’s clever and they’re stoo-pid, how the economy would collapse without him and how America is winning the trade wars. Meanwhile, Russia, China and Iran are preparing for war because they already know what happens in indoctrinated societies that promote superiority and believe they possess God given powers to rule the world.

    There you go, a bit more to reflect on. Now those that want to debate all this, feel free to do so. No annimosity and personal attacks, let’s get some of that indoctrinated drivel out of your heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pork Chop View Post
    See the European Union, or read Huxley’s 'Brave new world revisted' for what a benevolent liberal fascist dictatorship looks like.
    The EU, I see as a gaggle of Elites, wannabee royalty, seizing bureaucratic power, and over the decades, coming to more-and-more withering contempt of their lessers.

    That Moslem invasion didn't fall out of the sky. The EU LET THEM IN - and forced nations that did not want them in, to let them in. The Elites who control the EU, let them in because they wanted a more-docile New Peasantry.

    It is a toxin that is corroding Europe. Like swallowing Drano - you don't die immediately, it takes some time.

    As for Huxley: I don't look to fiction for guidance. Not even well-written fiction.

    Despotic dictatorship IS tyranny. It deprives man of his Natural Rights: Life, liberty AND PROPERTY. Taxation without representation; taxation by an unelected governing body which views itself as on a higher level than the proletariat.
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