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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertLafollet View Post
    @Iron I do not care what a German agent by the name of Leinin has to say. He had no understanding of American Socialism. Nobody wants the government to wither away. Nobody wants to nationalize small business. We probably shouldn't nationalize many fortune 500 business not that any one country could do that in the global economy. A dictatorship of the proletariat is just a dictatorship.
    What I want to see is FDR/Eisenhower style government which is what you call socialism. Business was well regulated and thrived under that system.
    There is & never was an American socialism. What your calling AS is just a blend of socialism/capitalism like in western Europe. The socialist programs bleed off the resources from both the government & the people. That's why their middle class is much more equal to our poor class, because of taxes. There are a lot of video's on U-tube explaining what happens under that type of government & why it's bad. But sadly you either wouldn't watch them or wouldn't agree with them because you have a dream. Your dream is a nightmare to us though because we don't want to live broke without ever having a chance to better ourselves. Your just wanting the free stuff to help you in your old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertLafollet View Post
    Supply siders say if you build it they will come. Ford built the Edsal. Few came. When I was a kid coal fired home furnaces were the rule. I doubt you could sell one in West Virginia today. But we have lots of coal. I suppose there is a buggy whip maker somewhere. Not a mass market.

    No mater how wel you make and how cheap you sell it if there is no demand it will not sell

    Someone will say but what about personal computers. Accounting departments find them a labor saving device. The accounting department doesn't want computers it wants faster info and few clerks. Personal computers to store receipts never sold but people like the internet. They like working at home too. Without uses the personal computer is just a big paper weight.

    The problem with the tax cut is it was primarily a supply side cut at a time when business had excess capacity. Under those circumstances business is not going to invest in new plant and equipment. Instead we got stock buy backs and somewhat increased dividends. Mergers increased and it looks like employee buyout are now increasing.

    The economy is a pyramid. You can't grow the top without first growing the bottom.
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    Why the Ford Edsel Failed @ https://auto.howstuffworks.com/why-the-ford-edsel-failed.htm

    Ugly, overpriced, overhyped, poorly made and poorly timed, the Edsel was made for only two years. In the end, the failed program cost Ford $250 million [source: Carlson]. The "car of the future" is now a cautionary tale in business classrooms, though there were actually a few winners in the case of the Edsel. That flop of a car is now a rare collector's item. Relatively few cars were built between 1958 and 1960 (when production ended), and Edsel convertible models can fetch as much as $47,000 [source: Jedlicka].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tex View Post
    There is & never was an American socialism. What your calling AS is just a blend of socialism/capitalism like in western Europe. The socialist programs bleed off the resources from both the government & the people. That's why their middle class is much more equal to our poor class, because of taxes. There are a lot of video's on U-tube explaining what happens under that type of government & why it's bad. But sadly you either wouldn't watch them or wouldn't agree with them because you have a dream. Your dream is a nightmare to us though because we don't want to live broke without ever having a chance to better ourselves. Your just wanting the free stuff to help you in your old age.
    There's more to that, even, in the inherent inefficiency of European socialism.

    DESPITE their crushing taxes, virtually NONE of the costs of military defense are borne by European welfare states. That is both a free ride (obviously) and gives them the luxury of irresponsibility. In other words, the balance of power does not depend on an individual European socialist utopia's political stability. So their weak Parliamentary governments collapse, are reformed, have no-confidence votes, reform...and Uncle Sam keeps them all safe in their borders.

    Or did, until the Elites at the EU decided it was time to do a trial-size No-Borders World.

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    @Old Tex What free stuff? I've never gotten any7thing free in my life.

    You guys and gals tend to be so worried about free stuff. Don't you get it nothing is free. There are few if any undocumented people on welfare. Most are working at low wages in agribusiness. Some do start business and make money that way. Usually those are handy-man jobs often under the table.

    You worry about cartel member walking to the US. Well there maybe some members trying to escape. You see a few thousand people about a thousand miles away and expect an eminent invasion. Most of them likely will never reach the US border and then those left will be looking for the first ICE agent they can find to turn themselves in as refuge seekers. You fear ISIS left overs will fly to Mexico so they can walk for days to get to the US. Does that really make sense to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertLafollet View Post
    @Old Tex What free stuff? I've never gotten any7thing free in my life.
    You guys and gals tend to be so worried about free stuff. Don't you get it nothing is free. There are few if any undocumented people on welfare. Most are working at low wages in agribusiness. Some do start business and make money that way. Usually those are handy-man jobs often under the table.
    You worry about cartel member walking to the US. Well there maybe some members trying to escape. You see a few thousand people about a thousand miles away and expect an eminent invasion. Most of them likely will never reach the US border and then those left will be looking for the first ICE agent they can find to turn themselves in as refuge seekers. You fear ISIS left overs will fly to Mexico so they can walk for days to get to the US. Does that really make sense to you?
    What free stuff? Your right that most people that WORK don't get free stuff. But those that don't work do get free stuff. That's in both socialism & capitalism. Our welfare system is set up so that generations of families have been living on it. And yes illegal aliens do get on the system just like they get to vote in CA. And if you know what to say & do it's pretty easy to get into the system & stay in the system. As far as your statement "a few work under the table", 2 out of a hundred (2 percent) isn't a problem, but 2% out of 10 million is a huge problem. How big? Well CA get 30% of our total welfare money & a big part of that is illegal aliens. And here's a heads up for you Robert, criminals DO crime. They aren't running from danger, they are going where they can steal & kill even easier. And gangs like MS 13 do kill people here in the states & there's lot of data to back that up. As for ISIS coming here your right, it doesn't make sense to me but then neither does flying planes into buildings or have you forgotten that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertLafollet View Post
    Supply siders say if you build it they will come. Ford built the Edsal. Few came. When I was a kid coal fired home furnaces were the rule. I doubt you could sell one in West Virginia today. But we have lots of coal. I suppose there is a buggy whip maker somewhere. Not a mass market.

    No mater how wel you make and how cheap you sell it if there is no demand it will not sell

    Someone will say but what about personal computers. Accounting departments find them a labor saving device. The accounting department doesn't want computers it wants faster info and few clerks. Personal computers to store receipts never sold but people like the internet. They like working at home too. Without uses the personal computer is just a big paper weight.

    The problem with the tax cut is it was primarily a supply side cut at a time when business had excess capacity. Under those circumstances business is not going to invest in new plant and equipment. Instead we got stock buy backs and somewhat increased dividends. Mergers increased and it looks like employee buyout are now increasing.

    The economy is a pyramid. You can't grow the top without first growing the bottom.
    @Old Tex @JustPassinThru @Morning Star @Ed D, @NORAD
    business had excess capacity



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    @ol Tex ISIS didn't fly any planes into building. That was a group of Saudi's. Some people think they were all member of the Saudi military. Saudi Arabia is still there. None of the Saudi's were undocumented. Remember Ben Lauden financed the Bush family. The only civilian plane allowed to fly right after 9/11 evacuated members of the Ben Lauden family.

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    As you know I expect automation to take jobs. Those people will need to be taken care off.

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    Tex ISIS didn't fly any planes into building. That was a group of Saudi's.

    ISIS is a terrorist group, those that flew the planes into building were terrorist. As for them being Saudi's that doesn't rule out what group they were in or that their group was working with someone else.

    Some people think they were all member of the Saudi military.

    Even today "some people" think the earth is flat. What people think doesn't prove or disprove.

    Remember Ben Lauden financed the Bush family.

    The Bush family was in oil. Ben Lauden was in oil. Both companies & people in the same business often work together.

    The only civilian plane allowed to fly right after 9/11 evacuated members of the Ben Lauden family.

    What's the source of that?
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