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    Those EU food suppliers to England will just plow their products into the earth and that will show those damn Brits a thing or 2.

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    As I understand the UK is able to produce something like 80-90% of it's food.

    The estimates in the OP are higher than I have read, but we are also ignoring that the UK is a major food exporter.

    So if we didn't export, suddenly we start getting very close to self sufficient, with the shortfall in produce nothign dramatic.
    I had it calculated as one meal in 8.
    We skip one meal in 8.

    So for a nation of fatties that is no problem.

    However I agree that we prefer more diverse tastes these days and also am not sure if we have all year round supply.


    Whatever the case this isn't WW2 anymore. We are not likely to starve without trade with Europe and there are also other cheaper sources for most of the produce the EU sells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-Cruise View Post
    Can the UK feed itself after Brexit?
    How much food does the UK currently produce?
    The UK grows 61% of the food it eats, according to the National Farming Union (NFU),Tim Lang, Professor of Food Policy at City, University of London, and DEFRA’s Agriculture in the UK paper (July 2017). Government sources sometimes quote a figure of 75% but this excludes ‘non-indigenous’ items such as exotic fruit – bananas and mangoes, tea, coffee and spices – foods that cannot be grown (either at all or on a meaningful scale) in the UK.
    and historically?
    To find the highest historical rates for self-sufficiency in Britain, you need to go back to the 18th century, according to Professor Lang. Historic modern-day lows include the eves of the First World War and Second World War, when we produced only around 33% of our food. The recent high was 82% in the early 1980s.
    FRUIT AND VEG
    The UK currently has a huge deficit in fruit and vegetable production/Credit: Getty
    The UK has a huge deficit in fruit and vegetable production. In 2015, imports of fruits to the UK were valued at £3.1 billion; imports of fresh vegetables (excluding potatoes) at £2.1 billion.Source: Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB)
    UK exports of fruit and vegetables were valued at £199 million in 2015, less than 4% of the value of imports. The UK is self-sufficient in pre-packed potatoes but imports processed potatoes.
    Britain and the EU
    Currently, the UK produces 80% of its cheese, with 20% coming from the EU/Credit: Getty
    How much food do we currently import from the EU? Britain produces 80% of the cheese and beef consumed by the nation, but over half of our vegetables are imported.
    Source: British Retail Consortium
    WHEAT
    Rapeseed harvesting in the UK/Credit: Getty
    In 2017, the UK produced 15.2m tonnes of wheat. Of the annual crop, around 14% is exported. Over the past 10 years, imports account for an average of 11% of UK wheat demand.
    Source: AHDB
    Can the UK feed itself?
    NO says Meurig Raymond, president of the NFU
    "We will never be self-sufficient in food production in the UK," says Meurig Raymond, president of the NFU. “The population is rising and there is huge demand for crops that cannot be grown here, society has grown used to so much being available all year round. Can we increase self-sufficiency? Definitely.”
    YES says Professor Tim Lang
    “Yes, but it depends on what we eat,”says Professor Tim Lang. “We’ll have to cut eating meat down to once a week. We have to rebuild our horticulture and put more money into primary food production. There has to be a shift in how we grow our food.”
    Norfolk-based Hodmedod’s, a British pulse and grain supplier and 2017 Food and Farming Award-winner, was asked by Transition Norwich to see if the city could become self-sufficient. “We looked at land use and nutrient requirements and calculated the city could feed itself with a six-mile hinterland,” says Josiah Meldrum, Hodmedod’s co-founder. “But this would require significant land use and dietary changes. It would mean eating less meat and eating the vegetable protein that would usually be grown for animals.”
    Cattle farming in the UK/Credit: Getty
    Food import figures
    79% of the food and drink we import comes from the EU
    11% is from countries granted Most Favoured Nation status, such as the USA, China, Brazil and Australia.
    9% comes from bilateral agreements with countries such as Canada, Norway and Chile.
    1% from Generalised Scheme of Preferences (lower than WTO tariffs), such as India, Ukraine and Iran.
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    Yes, but they don't taste very nice.

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    If I was in UK I would vote for Brexit

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    Out the EU, we can redirect money to farmers and revive Mixed Farming

    Mixed Farming is how we used to feed ourselves, and self sufficiently. It means every farm has a few cows to milk, pigs chickens, fields of wheat, barley, carrots, spuds. etc A bit of everything. This made the farmer more robust. If his spuds got wiped out by potato blight, it was only one field lost out the whole farm.

    The EU made mixed farming impossible to sustain, especially due to the CAP, which was designed merely to prop up grossly useless french farmers who hadnt a clue how to farm with any skill. The EU subsidised the rotten farmers, and thus dragged the income of the good farmers down. So the only solution to survive as a farmer in the EU was monoculture Farming. Vast fields of thousands of acres of one crop, or huge herds of cows or pigs. That way you made your money on the subsidies. The snag of this ofc, is you get potato blight, and all your farm has is 10,000 acres of potatoes, then its goodnight vienna, you're out of business.

    Because of the idiot CAP, you can actually make more money NOT farming, the EU will pay you NOT to grow anything on unsuitable land. So one big scam that ran for years was 'Set aside'. Rent a patch of rough woodland or poor land half way up a hill, then claim set aside for it. Next year, rent a different bit, same again, claim set aside. aAs long as you could find four lots of about 10,000 acres of completely useles sland to rotate rental round, you made a nice living doing nothing.

    The EU and its idiot CAP has done nothing but cripple efficient english farming for 43 years, we're well rid of it. We need to go back to eating seasonal produce, and learning to cook . Just because a bunch of snobby mumsnet tarts want to eat strawberries on christmas day is no reasoon to stay in the EU. and you can ignore the Project Fear bollox of the quoted experts on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison View Post


    If I was in UK I would vote for Brexit

    THERESA MAY BREXIT PLAN: "A GIANT TURD" July 12th 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    A high percentage of Britain's food came from EU countries while in the EU. Why would those EU countries STOP selling and making profits just because England left the EU. Those EU suppliers sell to no country outside the EU?
    Precisely. All this crap about the loss of trade with the EU is just Project fear bollox.

    The EU made about £300 Billion profit with the UK last year. You think companies like Krupps, BMW, and Siemens are going to wave bye bye to all that money and all those jobs? OFC they arent. If that looks anything like its going to happen, they will be on the backs of macron and Merkel like a ton of bricks, because the thuing the elected politicians of the EU fea rmore than Brexit is thier own voters. Exit on no deal means millions of job losses in the EU, and thousands of companies going under.

    The fact is the EU is compelled by its own rules (Art. 8 Lisbon) to "form friendly relations with its neighbours including mutually beneficial trade relations".

    Its all Project Fear rubbish.

    in fact, the BBC got caught out spreading such garbage yesterday

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