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    Why is murder a crime?

    Many religions believe that the length of our lives is controlled by a supreme being. God decides how long we shall live and no man can "die before his time". Why, then, is murder a sin or a crime since the murderer is merely fulfilling the work of God. God wants Mr. B to die on a specific date. Joe Johns kills Mr. B on that date. Did not Joe Johns then act under the will of God?
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    It allows peace and harmony in the tribe. Putting God behind it makes it more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    It allows peace and harmony in the tribe. Putting God behind it makes it more so.
    I'm not sure I understand. I would say that if God has preordained that Mr. B will die at a specific time and date and that is carried out by virtue of a robbery would that not be a fulfillment of God's wishes? If I carry out God's mandate why should I then be punished?
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    Lets just be thankful that modern Christians and Jews reject the idea that you can murder and justify the act as the Will of God.....


    Not true for Islam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Felix Birdbiter View Post
    I'm not sure I understand. I would say that if God has preordained that Mr. B will die at a specific time and date and that is carried out by virtue of a robbery would that not be a fulfillment of God's wishes? If I carry out God's mandate why should I then be punished?
    Well simply. Back in the day tribes could raid and kill members of other tribes but not their own tribes. Look at how the Hebrews killed members of other tribes but were banned from killing members of their own tribe. Although the Hebrews did kill other members of other Hebrew tribes at God's orders. So who knows the real answer.

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    I have done a bit of research and discovered that in some cultures (mostly primitive to the extreme) a murderer simply paid the family of the person murdered. It was more like a civil issue than a criminal one. Also we are all aware of the so called "honor killings" in the Islamic culture. There were similar exceptions even in Western Culture. In Texas until recently, if a man caught his wife having sex with another man he was allowed to kill both of them under the extreme emotional stress rule. Samurai's under the Tokugawa Shogunate in Japan were allowed to kill peasants on the street if they were seen to be disrespecting the samurai or the emperor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Felix Birdbiter View Post
    Many religions believe that the length of our lives is controlled by a supreme being. God decides how long we shall live and no man can "die before his time". Why, then, is murder a sin or a crime since the murderer is merely fulfilling the work of God. God wants Mr. B to die on a specific date. Joe Johns kills Mr. B on that date. Did not Joe Johns then act under the will of God?
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    Murder is a crime because men are instinctually possessive.

    Men resent theft.

    Murder is the theft of life.

    A man that steals one life might steal another.

    So the average person is opposed to murder because they might be the next robbery victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Felix Birdbiter View Post
    Many religions believe that the length of our lives is controlled by a supreme being. God decides how long we shall live and no man can "die before his time". Why, then, is murder a sin or a crime since the murderer is merely fulfilling the work of God. God wants Mr. B to die on a specific date. Joe Johns kills Mr. B on that date. Did not Joe Johns then act under the will of God?
    Being that religion is based on faith, it doesn't always have to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark View Post
    It allows peace and harmony in the tribe. Putting God behind it makes it more so.
    Another concept misunderstood by the masses. Predestination is a complicated and deep subject. I don't discuss doctrine with people other than Family, and very close friends.

    But, God does not need Joe Johns to kill Mr. B, since He is Sovereign. God commanded us not to kill each other, so it makes zero sense that he would command us not to, and then commands us to do it.

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