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Toefoot
12-07-2015, 11:21 AM
Not very complicated and frugal, you can get about 540 - 580 reloads per pound of powder. I have and use my over the counter reload kit. Great article with pics and instructions. As with any reloading please be careful and only reload when competent and proficient.

Before anyone bashes the anemic 410 please understand that the 410 has many uses and can be very effective for many jobs. I understand the limitations but love me some 410 and the history.

410 Reload:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi43P2DjcrJAhXIOD4KHSoFAWoQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fself-sufficiency%2F2013%2F10%2Fhomemade-410-reloading-kit-2463934.html&usg=AFQjCNE9aUe3mFfPBcJg2oJBt8MmJS-JDQ


410 History, usage and development:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI58ilk8rJAhXMdz4KHTy8AHAQFggoMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallboreshotgun.wordpress.com%2 Fabout%2F410-history-usage-and-development%2F&usg=AFQjCNEoQLR1gmbmQLIuo-R5x9_EFJ6G6A

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI58ilk8rJAhXMdz4KHTy8AHAQFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgunlore.awardspace.info%2Fshotgun %2FfourtenHistory.htm&usg=AFQjCNGg6mlJp3IMCF5cKwQsDsJ3X02M_Q

DeadEye
12-07-2015, 11:38 AM
I found this interesting from the article.

The small size of the .410 bore makes it popular for use in compact firearms carried for emergency use. Commonly these are combination guns (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/Combination_gun), with a .22 Hornet (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/.22_Hornet) or .22 rimfire (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/Rimfire) rifle barrel mounted over a .410 bore shotgun barrel. The most famous of these is the M6 survival rifle (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/M6_survival_rifle) made by Springfield Armory, Inc. (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc.) for the US Air Force, and a number of copies are made by other makers. The original has a 14 inch barrel, the same length as the stock, and folds in half for storage, making a compact package. With the short barrel, this is classified as a sawed-off shotgun (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun) in the United States, so 18.5 inch barrelled models are made for civilian sales, as well as a 16 inch pistol version in .22 over .45 Colt.[6] (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#cite_note-5) Special flare cartridges in .410 were issued with the USAF model. The Thompson Center Arms (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/Thompson_Center_Arms) Contender pistols are commonly encountered with a special .45 Colt/.410 bore barrel. The barrel is rifled for the .45 Colt, but has a special choke and vent rib to make it function as a shotgun. Due to the rifled barrel, the assembled firearm is considered a rifle or pistol (depending on barrel length) and thus is not subject to the National Firearms Act (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wiki/National_Firearms_Act) 18 inch minimum barrel length.[7] (https://smallboreshotgun.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#cite_note-6)

St James
12-07-2015, 11:50 AM
Not very complicated and frugal, you can get about 540 - 580 reloads per pound of powder. I have and use my over the counter reload kit. Great article with pics and instructions. As with any reloading please be careful and only reload when competent and proficient.

Before anyone bashes the anemic 410 please understand that the 410 has many uses and can be very effective for many jobs. I understand the limitations but love me some 410 and the history.

410 Reload:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi43P2DjcrJAhXIOD4KHSoFAWoQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fself-sufficiency%2F2013%2F10%2Fhomemade-410-reloading-kit-2463934.html&usg=AFQjCNE9aUe3mFfPBcJg2oJBt8MmJS-JDQ


410 History, usage and development:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI58ilk8rJAhXMdz4KHTy8AHAQFggoMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallboreshotgun.wordpress.com%2 Fabout%2F410-history-usage-and-development%2F&usg=AFQjCNEoQLR1gmbmQLIuo-R5x9_EFJ6G6A

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI58ilk8rJAhXMdz4KHTy8AHAQFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgunlore.awardspace.info%2Fshotgun %2FfourtenHistory.htm&usg=AFQjCNGg6mlJp3IMCF5cKwQsDsJ3X02M_Q

In Indiana, you cannot hunt deer with a 410. That round falls into a "rifle slug" category.
Mossberg, as usual.........great home defense for a woman. cycle loads...00, slug, 00, slug

usfan
12-07-2015, 12:10 PM
I've been a fan of the 410 for some time. I have a judge, a double badger in 22lr/410, & a 410 o/u. I've also reloaded them with success. Its not that hard, if you pay attention to some details.

1. Get the right powder. it is not shotgun powder, but magnum pistol powder. A9,w926, & 4227 are all powders i have used. These kinds of powders are hard to get, but have come up more, recently.
2. Pack them down with good compression. The wads need to be tightly compacted, to get the power factor.
3. Crimping is the hard part. I've gone through several evolutions of crimping, trying to find the best/easiest to do it with. I picked up a roll crimping tool, that you put on a drill. It works, but is not always pretty. You should look first for function, & hope that practice builds uniformity in appearance. I also got a star crimper, & pressed it with a single stage press to start the crimp, then switched to an inverted 22mag cartridge over a rod to press the crimp.

I have arrived at a 'doable' system of reloading 410s, & it is definitely cost effective, given the price of new shells. A good crimp over solid compression is the best method. Gluing cards over the shot is ok, but does not crimp as well. Remember the old black powder muskets? They poured in the powder, then used a rod to compress the paper or cloth wad over the powder. This same principle is in play with the 410. In centerfire cartridges, the crimped bullet provides the 'compression' for the necessary buildup in the powder ignition. The wad & crimp do it in shot shells.

Some people look down on the lowly 410 as being too weak for hunting or self defense. But the velocity of the shot is the same, there is just not as much of it. A 12 ga has typically ~ 1 oz of shot, compared to 1/2 oz for the 410. A 12 ga will hold 9 OO pellets, while the 410 only 4. But those pellets have just as much velocity, & if you hit the target, it will be just as damaged as with the same number of 12 ga pellets.

It is not really a 'kids' caliber, but is more challenging for better shooters.

I think because it is so easy to reload with simple hand tools, it is an excellent addition to a bug out bag, or as a survival firearm. A bit of powder, some primers, & shot, & you can have a long lasting supply of shells.. as long as the empties can be recycled. Just make sure you have plenty of those, & you're set.

usfan
12-07-2015, 12:18 PM
Here's that double badger combo gun i mentioned. It is in 22lr (or 22mag) & 410. Single shot, over/under barrels. I can't think of a more versatile survival gun. Savage also makes one, the model 42. This one, made by Chiappa, can be found for ~ $300, so is a pretty inexpensive survival kit gun, & it folds up to a small package.
http://rockriveroutfitters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P91949901.jpg
https://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/badgerfull.png

Toefoot
12-07-2015, 12:40 PM
The Double Badger has the classic look to it and feels solid. As for the Savage model when in my hands it felt to cheap for me and not a fan of plastic sights. Speaking of cheap, something about Little Badger Single Shot 22LR/22WMR is a lot of fun. Brings back the Boy Scout in a person and screams to make it the Swiss Army Knife of rifles

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Little%20Badger%20maggie/8378985F-A24D-45F0-94AB-32B78DC53A1B_zpslrcgdyzz.jpg

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/02/20/4053401_01_chiappa_little_badger_22lr_640.jpg



Here's that double badger combo gun i mentioned. It is in 22lr (or 22mag) & 410. Single shot, over/under barrels. I can't think of a more versatile survival gun. Savage also makes one, the model 42. This one, made by Chiappa, can be found for ~ $300, so is a pretty inexpensive survival kit gun, & it folds up to a small package.
http://rockriveroutfitters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/P91949901.jpg
https://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/badgerfull.png