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ChoppedLiver
05-22-2013, 07:37 PM
A lot of people seem to have no solutions to school/mass shootings other than to grab all the firearms in America and/or throw lots of money at mental health issues mostly. The latter of the two don't even come close to saying what this money will actually do and the former is absolutely impossible to achieve. And neither of the two will completely eliminate these types of incidents from occurring.

Some also say that more security is needed at our schools. But what kind of security? We already have security guards at our schools. Mostly at our middle and high schools. And their everyday mission is usually to police the students themselves. But are they armed? Should they be armed? Would unarmed security have prevented this latest shooting?

They blame the guns. They blame the "gun nut mentality". They blame the availability of firearms. They blame the type of firearms. Blame, blame, blame.

And the solutions they offer can't or won't solve the problem. They are not viable solutions.

My solution? You want protection of your kids from a gunman invading the school and shooting your kids?

ARM THE TEACHERS. ARM THE STAFF.

"What?", you say? "Put guns in the classrooms of our schools?" "What kind of a diabolical solution is that?"

We all seem to agree that we don't want firearms in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. Our school teachers and administrators are some of the most trustworthy people in America. Most will agree with that. So, who better to arm than our most trusted?

Lets look at the facts in this latest case at Sandy Hill Elementary School that we know so far.

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who died lunging at the gunman trying to stop him from entering the school. The school psychologist, Mary Sherlach, who died activating the intercom, giving the teachers precious warning.

They were the FIRST line of defense in protecting the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School. If that Principal had been armed, that might have been the end of the incident. She saw a man with a gun. Shooting that man would have been justified in anybody's book. If the principal is shot by the gunman, which she was, the school psychologist would have been next in line to take out the shooter, had she been armed. Shooting a man who just shot the principal would have been justified also.

Then there was Victoria Soto, the teacher who locked her kids in closets before the shooter came into her classroom. Had she been armed, that would have been the end of it. She was not armed and was helplessly killed.

An armed teacher and/or staff could and would have prevented the mass carnage of innocent children that were murdered. An armed security staff would have and could have stopped the shooter in his tracks too. But would that security guard have been at the place where the gunman entered the school? And if they were, what if the guard was the first person taken out?

That's why a long line of defense of our most precious commodity -our innocent children- should be implemented.

But how can we arm our teachers and staff and protect our children from getting ahold of these weapons? How can we safeguard against this viable solution from becoming the cause of more injury and/or death?

Before you break out a knee-jerk reaction of, "Pass out the badges and arm the Posse", here's what we can do.

Safe boxes for the firearms. A teacher/staff member walking around with a handgun strapped to their hip is not a viable option. The firearms are to be locked away in an area such that the kids can't get into them but accessible enough for a teacher/staff to get to them when an emergency arises.. They will have some sort of keyless lock, combo or something even more hi-tec that will allow teachers to get to the defensive weapons. These safes will also be alarmed so that ANY access into them will set off a school wide alarm and alert other teachers, staff and students. When the 'safe box' alarm goes off, everyone would know that a firearm has been accessed. Also, a procedure is to be set up for non-emergency access to the firearms that is coordinated with school officials and staff.

Teach the teachers and staff. Instruct them how to properly handle and store and retrieve their assigned firearms. This involves an ongoing process of training and retraining. A firearm in the hands of someone who has no knowledge of how to handle them can be a danger all to itself.

Staff and student involvement. Just like a fire/earthquake drill, a defense against an attack by an armed shooter out to hurt and kill should be practiced and practiced again. Students will learn that firearms are for one of their intended purposes. And that is protection. Protection of the kids and at least some sense of security a trained and knowledgeable staff member can provide them in an emergency of this type. The 'safe box' alarm drill should be taught and understood. It will also teach our kids that firearms aren't some sort of 'taboo' that should be looked upon as something that offers nothing but danger and death. Children should know and understand what firearms are for. As it is now, our schools usually treat them as something only a bad guy has and therefore shouldn't be discussed and/or allowed. The "taboo" attitude our schools usually take might give a child a perk of interest just as other taboo things give them.

And should we teach our kids about the safe and proper handling of firearms and the dangers they can cause when used improperly? Of course we should. They should not, in any way, shape or form, have unbridled access to them. But we must teach them at least what to do when they encounter them and the dangers that can possibly happen. I learned how to shoot a firearm when I was 8 years old at a week-long Y-Camp. And taught by someone who was able to properly train children how to use a firearm. In my case, the instructor was a retired Marine drill sergeant.

Will this solution eliminate mass shootings at our schools altogether? Not hardly. But if you take the latest incident at Sandy Hook School and also the Virginia Tech. shooting, the access of defensive firearms to trained staff would have made the outcome very different than what it was. If you are looking for ways to wipe out an incident like a mass school shooting from ever happening again, you will be forever looking.

:cool:

Guest
05-22-2013, 07:41 PM
I think the solution is to realize we have a less than 1% chance of being shot and just quit being hysterical about it. Have a gun or don't have a gun. Send your kids to private schools, etc.

Archer
05-22-2013, 07:42 PM
Solutions?

1. Treat the mentally ill and keep the damn ACLU out of it.
2. Execute murderers within six months of conviction (explanation if needed)
3. Have armed, experienced volunteers at schools in full body armor.
4. Start holding Parole boards, Judges and psychologists / psychatriasits accountable when they screw up. Fines and mandatory imprisonment.

That is a start.

Trinnity
05-22-2013, 07:44 PM
Armed security at all schools. One for each door into the building.

Archer
05-22-2013, 07:53 PM
ANd zero tolerance. Not the jail the pot head thing but if you are caught on video or in the process of committing a crime with a weapon you DIE!

ChoppedLiver
05-22-2013, 07:53 PM
Armed security at all schools. One for each door into the building.

Ya might save some $$$ there by just using locks. :cool:

Guest
05-22-2013, 08:32 PM
Or have no public schools at all.

Network
05-22-2013, 09:12 PM
Realize that Sandy Hook is the most obviously fake event out of the 10 they've pulled off in the past 20 years.

Network
05-22-2013, 09:41 PM
Was Columbine also a hoax/staged or aided and abetted in one way or another? Yes. My money is on faked because of the bottom of this post.

100 and 1 for good measure saw more than 2 shooters.




Columbine 8 Years Later






Columbine : 101 witnesses can't be wrong


According to the final report of the investigation, only two people--Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17--planned and executed the mass shooting at Columbine High School outside Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999, leaving 15 dead and 23 wounded. But at least 101 eye- and ear- witnesses remembered it differently:


1) Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261) He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.


2) Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653) He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.


3) Jonathan Cole, freshman (749) He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!".


4) William Arapkiles, freshman (660) He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen.



.......etc.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/columbineeight.php





On April 20th, 1999 - Two Kids named: Dylan Klebold + Eric Harris, shot up their high school killing 13 - then commiting suicide.

Dylan Klebold was Born September 11th, 1981. Exactly 20 years before 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

In the journals/diaries discovered AFTER the shooting, it states the two shooters wanted to Hijack an airplane - and crash it into NYC.

CNN archive- http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/05/columbine.diary/

TheTemporaryBG
05-22-2013, 11:50 PM
Was Columbine also a hoax/staged or aided and abetted in one way or another? Yes. My money is on faked because of the bottom of this post.

100 and 1 for good measure saw more than 2 shooters.




Columbine 8 Years Later






Columbine : 101 witnesses can't be wrong


According to the final report of the investigation, only two people--Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17--planned and executed the mass shooting at Columbine High School outside Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999, leaving 15 dead and 23 wounded. But at least 101 eye- and ear- witnesses remembered it differently:


1) Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261) He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.


2) Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653) He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.


3) Jonathan Cole, freshman (749) He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!".


4) William Arapkiles, freshman (660) He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen.




.......etc.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/columbineeight.php





On April 20th, 1999 - Two Kids named: Dylan Klebold + Eric Harris, shot up their high school killing 13 - then commiting suicide.

Dylan Klebold was Born September 11th, 1981. Exactly 20 years before 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

In the journals/diaries discovered AFTER the shooting, it states the two shooters wanted to Hijack an airplane - and crash it into NYC.

CNN archive- http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/05/columbine.diary/

I just saw this. FUCK-ING FREAK-Y. Thank you.

Canadianeye
05-23-2013, 07:30 AM
A lot of people seem to have no solutions to school/mass shootings other than to grab all the firearms in America and/or throw lots of money at mental health issues mostly. The latter of the two don't even come close to saying what this money will actually do and the former is absolutely impossible to achieve. And neither of the two will completely eliminate these types of incidents from occurring.

Some also say that more security is needed at our schools. But what kind of security? We already have security guards at our schools. Mostly at our middle and high schools. And their everyday mission is usually to police the students themselves. But are they armed? Should they be armed? Would unarmed security have prevented this latest shooting?

They blame the guns. They blame the "gun nut mentality". They blame the availability of firearms. They blame the type of firearms. Blame, blame, blame.

And the solutions they offer can't or won't solve the problem. They are not viable solutions.

My solution? You want protection of your kids from a gunman invading the school and shooting your kids?

ARM THE TEACHERS. ARM THE STAFF.

"What?", you say? "Put guns in the classrooms of our schools?" "What kind of a diabolical solution is that?"

We all seem to agree that we don't want firearms in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. Our school teachers and administrators are some of the most trustworthy people in America. Most will agree with that. So, who better to arm than our most trusted?

Lets look at the facts in this latest case at Sandy Hill Elementary School that we know so far.

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who died lunging at the gunman trying to stop him from entering the school. The school psychologist, Mary Sherlach, who died activating the intercom, giving the teachers precious warning.

They were the FIRST line of defense in protecting the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School. If that Principal had been armed, that might have been the end of the incident. She saw a man with a gun. Shooting that man would have been justified in anybody's book. If the principal is shot by the gunman, which she was, the school psychologist would have been next in line to take out the shooter, had she been armed. Shooting a man who just shot the principal would have been justified also.

Then there was Victoria Soto, the teacher who locked her kids in closets before the shooter came into her classroom. Had she been armed, that would have been the end of it. She was not armed and was helplessly killed.

An armed teacher and/or staff could and would have prevented the mass carnage of innocent children that were murdered. An armed security staff would have and could have stopped the shooter in his tracks too. But would that security guard have been at the place where the gunman entered the school? And if they were, what if the guard was the first person taken out?

That's why a long line of defense of our most precious commodity -our innocent children- should be implemented.

But how can we arm our teachers and staff and protect our children from getting ahold of these weapons? How can we safeguard against this viable solution from becoming the cause of more injury and/or death?

Before you break out a knee-jerk reaction of, "Pass out the badges and arm the Posse", here's what we can do.

Safe boxes for the firearms. A teacher/staff member walking around with a handgun strapped to their hip is not a viable option. The firearms are to be locked away in an area such that the kids can't get into them but accessible enough for a teacher/staff to get to them when an emergency arises.. They will have some sort of keyless lock, combo or something even more hi-tec that will allow teachers to get to the defensive weapons. These safes will also be alarmed so that ANY access into them will set off a school wide alarm and alert other teachers, staff and students. When the 'safe box' alarm goes off, everyone would know that a firearm has been accessed. Also, a procedure is to be set up for non-emergency access to the firearms that is coordinated with school officials and staff.

Teach the teachers and staff. Instruct them how to properly handle and store and retrieve their assigned firearms. This involves an ongoing process of training and retraining. A firearm in the hands of someone who has no knowledge of how to handle them can be a danger all to itself.

Staff and student involvement. Just like a fire/earthquake drill, a defense against an attack by an armed shooter out to hurt and kill should be practiced and practiced again. Students will learn that firearms are for one of their intended purposes. And that is protection. Protection of the kids and at least some sense of security a trained and knowledgeable staff member can provide them in an emergency of this type. The 'safe box' alarm drill should be taught and understood. It will also teach our kids that firearms aren't some sort of 'taboo' that should be looked upon as something that offers nothing but danger and death. Children should know and understand what firearms are for. As it is now, our schools usually treat them as something only a bad guy has and therefore shouldn't be discussed and/or allowed. The "taboo" attitude our schools usually take might give a child a perk of interest just as other taboo things give them.

And should we teach our kids about the safe and proper handling of firearms and the dangers they can cause when used improperly? Of course we should. They should not, in any way, shape or form, have unbridled access to them. But we must teach them at least what to do when they encounter them and the dangers that can possibly happen. I learned how to shoot a firearm when I was 8 years old at a week-long Y-Camp. And taught by someone who was able to properly train children how to use a firearm. In my case, the instructor was a retired Marine drill sergeant.

Will this solution eliminate mass shootings at our schools altogether? Not hardly. But if you take the latest incident at Sandy Hook School and also the Virginia Tech. shooting, the access of defensive firearms to trained staff would have made the outcome very different than what it was. If you are looking for ways to wipe out an incident like a mass school shooting from ever happening again, you will be forever looking.

:cool:

iGun biometrics technology inside of a similarly biometric case in the classrooms, personalized to the teacher(s)/staff etc.

You are the teacher in the room. Give me all the guns are evil rhetoric, teachers are not cops this and that...but when you hear the shooter moving down the hall, tell me you don't want that gun in your hand, and tell me the kids don't want the adult armed against the maniac coming towards them.

Technology is the key.

Gemini
05-23-2013, 10:11 AM
Armed security at all schools. One for each door into the building.

Expensive given currently school architecture. Would be more cost effective to have a closed campus with a fence that is monitored by CCTV, and a gated check point with an armed set of guards there. Have a roving patrol of a couple of people.

There are a lot of entrances to schools now days. But at that point, is it a school or a prison? Hardly a conducive learning environment for kids I'd say.

Gemini
05-23-2013, 10:14 AM
iGun biometrics technology inside of a similarly biometric case in the classrooms, personalized to the teacher(s)/staff etc.

You are the teacher in the room. Give me all the guns are evil rhetoric, teachers are not cops this and that...but when you hear the shooter moving down the hall, tell me you don't want that gun in your hand, and tell me the kids don't want the adult armed against the maniac coming towards them.

Technology is the key.

http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/files/2013/01/Israel-school-teacher.jpg

This is easier, and odds are the kids will respect the teachers more if they are packing visibly too.

BleedingHeadKen
05-23-2013, 03:29 PM
Armed security at all schools. One for each door into the building.

And one for each of the armed security guards to watch each of the guards in case one of them goes crazy. Also, bullet proof suits for the kiddies that completely covers them. Maybe one of those old English style prison churches where every prisoner could see the pastor, but they could not interact with each other. If the children had that, they would not be easily accessible and far less likely to disrupt the class as well.

610

Canadianeye
05-23-2013, 08:37 PM
And one for each of the armed security guards to watch each of the guards in case one of them goes crazy. Also, bullet proof suits for the kiddies that completely covers them. Maybe one of those old English style prison churches where every prisoner could see the pastor, but they could not interact with each other. If the children had that, they would not be easily accessible and far less likely to disrupt the class as well.

610

And fertilizer bans in case they want to blow up the kids, and cell phone bans across America to cease the detonations that will kill the children and, even worse, the union personnel.

And wires and solder.....

Dan40
05-23-2013, 08:42 PM
Armed security at all schools. One for each door into the building.

Why each door? ONE entrance door is plenty. Court House, Police station, most govt buildings now. One door with armed guards and the Xray scanner for packages. Many doors will open from the inside in an emergency, lots of ways out, ONE WAY IN.