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sargentodiaz
09-10-2015, 10:05 AM
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Conquest, War, Famine, and Death.


This says that “41% of Americans believe that “we are living in what the Bible calls the last days.” For those that believe, the signs are everywhere – geopolitical instability, moral decay, steadily increasing numbers of natural disasters and a global financial system.


How about you? Looking at the daily news, we see wars everywhere and spreading. Thousands dying of hunger and diseases. And volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, horrid weather with flooding, while others suffer almost unbearable drought.


There doesn't seem much you or I can do about it. So, what are YOU doing?


Read more @ http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/are-we-living-in-the-last-days

Calypso Jones
09-10-2015, 10:08 AM
I pray daily..> Try to relax and remember to trust God. I ask Him to restore his protective hand and restore our country. I pray for my grandchildren.

I learned yesterday that none of my representatives...democrat and republican...give a fig about what I have to say. That they have their plans for survival all worked out and i'm under the Obama Doctrine which is....'YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.' and frankly when Jesus returns I don't want these guys around me. I'll have my own problems.

Jim Scott
09-10-2015, 10:37 AM
I tend to believe that every generation of Christians believe that they are living in the Last Days. The First Century Christians apparently did - and that was 2000 years ago. Of course, God's time is not our time as He exists outside of space and time.

However, as Europe becomes a socialist dystopia and the U.S. haltingly follows, the always simmering middle east heats up with the old tribal and religious animosities now being manifested in civil wars and Islamic caliphate delusions as participants obtain weapons of massive destruction and Israel watches, warily, as their neighbors kill each other while screaming death threats to the hated Jews one is tempted to ask the sardonic question: 'what could possibly go wrong?'

Most devout Christians are focused on their eternal life, not so much this brief, mortal one. We try to live as close to Jesus' commands and example as possible, understanding that we are imperfect and our sins can be forgiven by a loving and merciful God if we accept Him.

We support a strong America (peace through strength) but aside from voting and praying, there is not a lot the individual can do to influence world events. We leave it to God's infinite wisdom as to when the world ends. However, for the Christian believer, while we enjoy the mortal life God gave us, we do not cling to it, knowing, as the old hymn says: 'This World Is Not My Home' (I'm just passing through).

Of course, that attitude is far easier to adopt as one ages but not quite so easy in the prime years of life. That where faith comes in.

Jim

Sled Dog
09-10-2015, 12:13 PM
The Four Horsemen are never far away.

The best defense against War is Strength.

The best defense against Conquest is also Strength.

The best defense against Famine is growing food to EAT, not put in Gas Tanks, so famine is getting closer....especially since Governor Moonbeam is waging war on the California farmer merely to devalue their land and make his absurd Choo-Choo less expensive.

The best defense against Death is not dying. Avoiding War and Famine and Conquest certainly helps in that regard.

Clearly there actually only TWO horsement, War and Famine. The other two are corollaries.

Classical
09-11-2015, 07:44 PM
I tend to believe that every generation of Christians believe that they are living in the Last Days. The First Century Christians apparently did - and that was 2000 years ago. Of course, God's time is not our time as He exists outside of space and time.

However, as Europe becomes a socialist dystopia and the U.S. haltingly follows, the always simmering middle east heats up with the old tribal and religious animosities now being manifested in civil wars and Islamic caliphate delusions as participants obtain weapons of massive destruction and Israel watches, warily, as their neighbors kill each other while screaming death threats to the hated Jews one is tempted to ask the sardonic question: 'what could possibly go wrong?'

Most devout Christians are focused on their eternal life, not so much this brief, mortal one. We try to live as close to Jesus' commands and example as possible, understanding that we are imperfect and our sins can be forgiven by a loving and merciful God if we accept Him.

We support a strong America (peace through strength) but aside from voting and praying, there is not a lot the individual can do to influence world events. We leave it to God's infinite wisdom as to when the world ends. However, for the Christian believer, while we enjoy the mortal life God gave us, we do not cling to it, knowing, as the old hymn says: 'This World Is Not My Home' (I'm just passing through).

Of course, that attitude is far easier to adopt as one ages but not quite so easy in the prime years of life. That where faith comes in.

Jim


I don't think every generation believes they are living in the last days. Many generations believe they are living in difficult times but not the last days.

Partly its an issue of scope. To believe it is the last days requires global crises that could result in global destruction (or crises that impact the known world). Those don't happen very often, but I do think this is one of the times it is happening. The USA is declining and facing some major and possibly insurmountable problems, the same with Europe. But the USA is still powerful and where it goes much of the world will be pulled along, if the USA collapses economically the world will also collapse.

The rising powers are not very pleasant - corrupt and warmongering Russia, the depraved ISIS Muslims and their brethren who revel in atrocity, Iran who will shortly be a nuclear power, and totalitarian China who is quietly biding its time hoping to ride out the storm and emerge as the SuperPower.

Christianity is under world wide attack from the inside and outside. Former bastions of tolerance like the USA and Canada are actively repressing religion in general and Christianity in particular, Christians are being hunted down and butchered all over Asia and parts of Africa, Europe is now secular and intolerant of Christianity. The Catholic Pope and some Christian denominations have abandoned the Bible for a modern socially acceptable "interpretation".

On top of all of that people are depressed and many have lost hope. Its one thing to face a tough situation but believe you can emerge out the other side, its quite another to believe the problems are insurmountable and will consume your or the next generation. In general, people without hope are defeated and tend to surrender, or they look for ways to escape and hide to live out their lives as best as they can.

Whether its truly the last days or not, its a very tough time to live.

JustPassinThru
09-11-2015, 07:51 PM
I have never seen the Divine Revelation of the Christian God...as opposed to that of other religions.

Yes, the Holy Bible is filled with wisdom. The Law of Moses/Ten Commandments elevate all people who accept them and live by them. There is wisdom aplenty in the Bible, no doubt - but why is IT given to some; the Book of Mormon to others, the Torah to yet others, and other holy writs or documents to yet other people?

I'm coming to understand that I'm akin to a Deist. I believe there is a Higher Power. I do not believe or see that he's deeply involved in what happens on Earth. The evil walk unmolested; and the innocent are slaughtered. And it continues and is escalating.

Where it takes us, of course, is obvious. A global collapse of human society; starvation; and a reduction of the population to one-twentieth of what it is. As we re-primatize and enter another thousand or more years of barbarism.

Is this God's doing, or our own?

Jen
09-11-2015, 07:53 PM
I don't know.
Maybe.
Sometimes it seems like it should be the end times since things are so inside out. Wrong is right and right is wrong. Makes no sense.

I pray for wisdom.
I pray for my family.
I am not storing up goods or digging a special cellar.
I am in God's hands and there I am safe - with that wisdom I've prayed for.
It will be fine.

JustPassinThru
09-11-2015, 07:56 PM
I don't see it as fine.

Someday, not so far away...I will die. If we enter into a new Golden Age, I will still die.

I'm dealing with a lot of discomfort, bordering on real pain, and that will never go away.

I'm dealing with my working years coming to an early close. That is not good, either.

That is not much to look forward to. I find little to convince in the flowery description of Paradise...as opposed to the practical expectation that death is an OFF switch.

old wood
09-21-2015, 08:17 PM
http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Four-Horsemen-Of-The-Apocalypse-Public-Domain-460x258.jpg



Conquest, War, Famine, and Death.


This says that “41% of Americans believe that “we are living in what the Bible calls the last days.” For those that believe, the signs are everywhere – geopolitical instability, moral decay, steadily increasing numbers of natural disasters and a global financial system.


How about you? Looking at the daily news, we see wars everywhere and spreading. Thousands dying of hunger and diseases. And volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, horrid weather with flooding, while others suffer almost unbearable drought.


There doesn't seem much you or I can do about it. So, what are YOU doing?


Read more @ http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/are-we-living-in-the-last-days

I just sat on the porch, had a beer,a Cig..and life looks much as always..except we got nice weather today. i LIVED where we could get an Earthquake, forest fire, flooding, mud ....I was well set for all that. we HAD serious shit happen. Locals helped, worked together. "America" helped. Most of us somewhat knew the hazards..but some were city folk transplants.. were surprised.

In some end of the world/end of civilization nightmare....just what would you expect? You can have a week.. a month that is very tough.. or.. a hopeless nightmare where there's no hope? Obviously.. not the same. In a crisis.. I want to know I can work WITH my community.

old wood
09-21-2015, 08:23 PM
I don't see it as fine.

Someday, not so far away...I will die. If we enter into a new Golden Age, I will still die.

I'm dealing with a lot of discomfort, bordering on real pain, and that will never go away.

I'm dealing with my working years coming to an early close. That is not good, either.

That is not much to look forward to. I find little to convince in the flowery description of Paradise...as opposed to the practical expectation that death is an OFF switch.I'm at that point where..well.. maybe i live 20+ more years but I'll be in a state of change i won't like. 10-20 yr ago.. I could deal with hard times, roughing it,better than most. Now? is it even worth it? If life becomes one big scary movie? Is it worth it? Hopefully... the Big scary doomsday thing.. is still far away.

old wood
09-21-2015, 08:35 PM
I have never seen the Divine Revelation of the Christian God...as opposed to that of other religions.

Yes, the Holy Bible is filled with wisdom. The Law of Moses/Ten Commandments elevate all people who accept them and live by them. There is wisdom aplenty in the Bible, no doubt - but why is IT given to some; the Book of Mormon to others, the Torah to yet others, and other holy writs or documents to yet other people?

I'm coming to understand that I'm akin to a Deist. I believe there is a Higher Power. I do not believe or see that he's deeply involved in what happens on Earth. The evil walk unmolested; and the innocent are slaughtered. And it continues and is escalating.

Where it takes us, of course, is obvious. A global collapse of human society; starvation; and a reduction of the population to one-twentieth of what it is. As we re-primatize and enter another thousand or more years of barbarism.

Is this God's doing, or our own? To my surprize.. I get what you are saying..and we often are far apart. I doubt there IS any Instant meltdown to Society/Civilization. Major changes do not tend to happen fast...unless you live in a trailer park in Tornado Alley.

I think we ADAPT..do the right thing.. but only after acting like a bunch of dumbasses till the damage is serious. I see/hear....folks unable to think straight. Folks hung up on whatever dogma,myth,ideology..and stubbornly adding to future troubles. Well.. it's not the first time.

"Civilization" has persisted,evolved,grown...cause it beats the hell out of the alternatives. We have EVERYTHING invested in it. A FEW nutcases may have got the wrong idea watching Mad Max movies.. but in general.. we ain't going barbarian. Been there..and it was much over-rated.

Katzndogz
09-21-2015, 10:41 PM
I do not believe that these are the last days of the earth. I do believe these are the last days of the United States.

Jen
09-21-2015, 10:44 PM
I pray daily..> Try to relax and remember to trust God. I ask Him to restore his protective hand and restore our country. I pray for my grandchildren.

I learned yesterday that none of my representatives...democrat and republican...give a fig about what I have to say. That they have their plans for survival all worked out and i'm under the Obama Doctrine which is....'YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.' and frankly when Jesus returns I don't want these guys around me. I'll have my own problems.I would rather be on my own, Calypso. I don't want anyone from government taking care of me. God knows when and how I need to die. My Soul will be fine once it pops out of this body. I am a little concerned with the last few minutes of life leading up to the release, but I'm sure it will be okay. You will be okay too.

Jen
09-21-2015, 10:46 PM
I tend to believe that every generation of Christians believe that they are living in the Last Days. The First Century Christians apparently did - and that was 2000 years ago. Of course, God's time is not our time as He exists outside of space and time.

However, as Europe becomes a socialist dystopia and the U.S. haltingly follows, the always simmering middle east heats up with the old tribal and religious animosities now being manifested in civil wars and Islamic caliphate delusions as participants obtain weapons of massive destruction and Israel watches, warily, as their neighbors kill each other while screaming death threats to the hated Jews one is tempted to ask the sardonic question: 'what could possibly go wrong?'

Most devout Christians are focused on their eternal life, not so much this brief, mortal one. We try to live as close to Jesus' commands and example as possible, understanding that we are imperfect and our sins can be forgiven by a loving and merciful God if we accept Him.

We support a strong America (peace through strength) but aside from voting and praying, there is not a lot the individual can do to influence world events. We leave it to God's infinite wisdom as to when the world ends. However, for the Christian believer, while we enjoy the mortal life God gave us, we do not cling to it, knowing, as the old hymn says: 'This World Is Not My Home' (I'm just passing through).

Of course, that attitude is far easier to adopt as one ages but not quite so easy in the prime years of life. That where faith comes in.

JimWe are all living in the last days, Jim, whether they are the world's last days or just our own. How we live matters. God will take care of how we die and our Soul will know exactly what to do once it exits our mortal body. I'm not worried about any of that for myself. I am very concerned that so many others just don't realize how fleeting life is.

potlatch
09-21-2015, 11:01 PM
Jim Scott


From reading and experience throughout my lifetime I have found that to be true.
"But of that day and hour knoweth no [I]man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Your post was beautifully written Jim Scott.

Calypso Jones
09-21-2015, 11:02 PM
Of course, that attitude is far easier to adopt as one ages but not quite so easy in the prime years of life. That where faith comes in.

Jim

how true, unfortunately. All we can do is to try to influence our children and grandchildren to go that way and stay in it. It is disturbing that 88 percent of church going kids leave the church. In my opinion, there is a good reason for that. Not just the secularism that they run into when they get to college. It is the church's fault for not explaining all the meaning of those words. What is grace, what is salvation, how do you read the bible, the blessing associated with it. proverbs, advice to live by.

Jen
09-21-2015, 11:03 PM
I don't see it as fine.

Someday, not so far away...I will die. If we enter into a new Golden Age, I will still die.

I'm dealing with a lot of discomfort, bordering on real pain, and that will never go away.

I'm dealing with my working years coming to an early close. That is not good, either.

That is not much to look forward to. I find little to convince in the flowery description of Paradise...as opposed to the practical expectation that death is an OFF switch.I see death here as "birth" to whatever is next.

usfan
09-21-2015, 11:29 PM
40 years ago, during the 'Jesus Freak' movement, the hubub was 'the late great planet earth', where Hal Lindsey predicted the end within a few years.. Before that, there was some guy who talked a bunch of people into sitting on a hill to wait.. he knew the date when the world would end. Of course, there are the real wack jobs, who drink kool aid & try to catch a ride on a comet as they die, but some kind of apocalyptic view of the world seems to be universal. Martin Luther.. the reformer.. was in a time of great persecution. Martyrs were dying regularly. Someone asked him what he would do if he knew the Lord was coming back tomorrow. 'I would plant a tree', was his reply.

If you're 60 or so, these are the last days. You might live a few more years, but plenty of your friends are gone who died much younger than you, so you know it can happen. I have been a philosopher obsessed with death my whole life, so it seems like a familiar friend. But i have no idea how i will cross the river.. whether with great faith & victory, or in terror & despair. My will is inadequate in this matter. I leave the welfare of my soul (if there is one) with the Creator.

But as far as the last days of America, that seems fairly obvious. All of the fundamentals for a stable collective system of organization (aka, govt) are out of whack. The currency is in shambles. Dependency is rampant. Enemies of America have infiltrated every institution. Corruption, lies, & every imaginable immorality runs freely in this land that was once a beacon of stability, morality, & freedom. The cry of innocent blood rises against us, & demands justice. We will have to face our Maker, & we have no excuse. We have loved amusements & opulence, & have lost our place in the universe, history, & humanity. Instead of the light of Liberty, we bring the stench of Death.

If there is a judgement in my lifetime.. If fire & brimstone falls from heaven & leaves the land barren.. If gnashing & wailing are all we have to look forward to, all i can say is that God is just. Our collective sins have risen to the heights, & cry out against us. Millions of dead babies will stand in judgement upon this generation, & all we can do is hang our heads. We have stood idly by while thieves, murderers & liars have taken control of our once proud system of self rule, that once shook the world & was the envy of the nations.

But while there is life there is hope. A spiritual awakening.. a moral revival.. a return to the standards that brought us to the pinnacle of human freedom.. these *might* turn away the wrath & judgement of God. But that has become a trite saying.. a religious cliché that people parrot, but without feeling. Revival. It could save America, but it seems impossible. The irreligious are entrenched, & there is no fear of God in our culture.

Hos 4:1Hear the word of the Lord, you Israelites,because the Lord has a charge to bring
against you who live in the land:
“There is no faithfulness, no love,
no acknowledgment of God in the land.
2There is only cursing, lying and murder,
stealing and adultery;
they break all bounds,
and bloodshed follows bloodshed.
3Because of this the land dries up,
and all who live in it waste away;
the beasts of the field, the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea are swept away.
4“But let no one bring a charge,
let no one accuse another,
for your people are like those
who bring charges against a priest.
5You stumble day and night,
and the prophets stumble with you.
So I will destroy your mother—
6my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.

Montana
09-22-2015, 07:36 AM
http://daniel11truth.com/end-times-signs-current-headlines.htm One thing for sure we are one day closer to the end than we were yesterday.

old wood
10-05-2015, 10:19 PM
http://daniel11truth.com/end-times-signs-current-headlines.htm One thing for sure we are one day closer to the end than we were yesterday.

Likely. Humans, cultures, nations have a LOT invested in stuff like "Civilization"..."Economics" . At this stage.. we have the science,technology,assets to ADAPT. I find it odd how folks who believe in some unlikely doom..scoff at "Climate Change" a very REAL thing that can do HUGE damage. Extreme,erratic weather changes that last years,decades can be a HUGE problem.

There's a LOT of places where a decade of increased heat/drought can be a disaster. It was a very DRY year or two on the West Coast. Here (Ohio) it has been an unusually WET summer. BASICALLY.. We got rain that normally.. falls in the Western US. This year..I did not need to water the lawn. Out West.. there was too little water to water a lawn. So......suppose that pattern does not just continue but gets EXTREME/ Then... ALL the Agriculture West of the Mississippi..is in big trouble. Stop and think. Massive crop fails? Areas we EXPECT produce major crops,livestock.. can't produce ANY thing? HUGE economic problem. All States between the Mississippi and the Rockies lose a HUGE part of their economic base. West Coast states...ain't able to feed themselves, never mind export anything. Places like Phoenix......have big problems.

While our greed and stupidity CAN take us to the point where we NEED to use Common Sense......the thing that can really be tough is fucking up the environment so bad it takes 30+ years to just get "normal".

Of course.. since I was a child.....there's been the spectre of Nuclear war. There's also the threat of Super asteroid,super Volcano. We....historically 'screw ourselves in terms of VERY crappy economic or political blunders. However... such ain't 'cost effective' so.. we do not stick with such blunders very long.